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Travel Free From DC to Boston. I Don't Think So

Hi, so here's my situation. I am traveling to Boston from NJ at the end of August and instead of taking my SUV, I really have my heart set on taking the MS. However, I can't seem to figure out how am I going to get back from Boston back to NJ? I can get there via the CT superchargers but once I am there, there are no superchargers in Boston yet and would have to find a charging station which I would most likely have to pay per hour. From the Milford, CT supercharger, I doubt I can make it back from Boston. So what Tesla says 'Travel from DC to Boston for free' but they fail to mention that it's only ONE WAY! Ugh! Any suggestions?

Amp_On | July 30, 2013

Hey: there are free charging pods around the Boston area that are free, although you will have to pay for parking. These are Charge Point pods so you will have to join the network, one time fee of $5.95 if I recall. The max aps are 30 so you will be charging at the rate of 18/hr. Hope this helps

MSAddict | July 30, 2013

Thanks Amp, how to find these charge point pods?

jbunn | July 30, 2013

Also depends on where you go. I've made a couple round trips from SF to LA which is 765 miles round trip.

The first time I didn't have the right adapter to plug into my cousin's dryer outlet so we used the 110 circuit when not driving the car. Also used the Tesla store charger for a few hours since she only lives a few miles away.

Next trip, I had the correct adapter, and charged in her garage.

Point being, if you're visiting someone, perhaps you can charge there? Or hit up a Tesla store at a mall and use their charger for a couple hours? And as Amp_On states there are charging possibilities.

skulleyb | July 30, 2013

Some pay some free:
http://www.chargepoint.com
https://www.blinknetwork.com

Shows all charges that are public.
Some residents with charges may even help out if you call or email them:
http://www.recargo.com
http://www.plugshare.com

hamer | July 30, 2013

I believe it is correct to assume that when one starts on a journey for which you're going to use Superchargers on the way that you're responsible for starting out with a full battery. You can do it by starting with a full battery from your home and charging in your destination city. Tesla never promised a Supercharger in every city to which you might want to travel.

As others have said, you can charge using a 110 outlet for a couple of days or you can find a commercial charger. As others have said, the Boston area is full of commercial chargers, although you may have to pay for it.

You can travel from Boston to NJ for free, if you start out with a full battery. Depending on your destination in NJ you can tank up at a Milford Supercharger and get to our NJ destination having used relatively little of it.

I traveled in April from Chapel Hill NC to Tinton Falls NJ in my MS and never assumed there would be a Supercharger in or near Tinton Falls. I had to charge in an RV park in Virginia, at the Supercharger near Wilmington, and then at my destination. Going back, I started with a full battery, charged at the Wilmington Supercharger, charged in the RV park in Virginia, and got home.

It will be easier when Tesla builds the promised (by June 30) Supercharger near Richmond, VA.

mrspaghetti | July 30, 2013

Getting charged at your destination has never been the goal of Superchargers, just getting you there. The assumption is that you will find charging accommodations at your endpoint - i.e., hotel, a pay charger, your relative's house, etc. I think you're expecting a little much if you don't think you should ever have to make an effort or spend any money on a road trip, ever.

rchiang | July 30, 2013

Nothing is free you still have to pay for tolls. LOL

Kleist | July 30, 2013

One way is free, return trip costs double.

Long term plan is to have SC about 50 miles outside the city like Darien to NY and Gilroy to Bay Area... so you can fill up do your business and return on one charge. The SC outside Boston hasn't been build yet - later this year.

Paul1839 | July 30, 2013

My family of four +inlaws +luggage just did this trip from Maryland to Boston and it was all free! Ok tolls cost $ but way less then train or plane and we got to stop in NYC for lunch on the way. Yes parking and charging in NYC was also FREE. It was a Friday so traffic was really bad. Total drive and charge time was about a 12 hours. Never got below 60 miles of range (P85). AC maxed and going the flow of traffic so at times 70+ MPH. Kids seat did get hot but the (ugh) $12 clip on fan helped. For charging in Boston we went to a "charge-point" location that was free with free parking. We also used Whole Foods free parking and charging. Granted this was just outside of the city so charging and parking might not be free in the city.

hademarco | July 30, 2013

Ok Paul1839, where did you park and charge for free in NYC? Very interested. I was in NYC and our family paid like over $200 in parking fees through our various stops and visits.

dlewis | July 30, 2013

They failed to mention "from Boston to DC" is one way? It sounds exactly like one way. It doesn't say from "Boston to DC and back for free". The superchargers are for the highway, I guess they assume you have the ability yourself to find charging at your destination and it really isn't their obligation to make all your driving free.

northern-va-dave | July 30, 2013

Re: hamer's post

Thank you for this post. (First post - please go easy on me....) My biting the "plug" on ordering an S85 is ... imminent. On my second test drive last weekend, the TM rep and I discussed the SC map and how it makes it look as if you could drive from Richmond to the far reaches of southwestern PA easily (for an example of many). But that map is just showing us groups of overlapping 300mi range circles. It does not account for the charging required to reverse your trip (i.e. round trip) to get back home. Assumption is that you have sufficient charging options on arrival at your destination, sufficient time to stay there for charging back up, and as you wrote, making sure you always start out (departing or returning) with a full charge, essentially regardless of SC use / availability. The TM rep conceded this point. Not a deal-breaker, but it does reduce some of the "convenience factor" or worry-free feeling for long distance travel. For example, if I could convince the grandparents to let me pay to install a 240V in their garage, long distance round trips to Grandma's would be a worry-free no-brainer in the S85. But, I don't want to have to consider persuading them (or any other family member residing at the endpoint of a long trip) to let me put in a 240V just to show them that the S85 is a 'practical' ICE replacement. Without that, and without having to drive somewhere else after arriving just to charge (assuming such a place exists near your endpoint), I am limited to the 110V option. BUT... to recharge on 110, say in winter temps, well there are other forum posts about how that is not practical for weekend-type long distance trips (e.g., 200 mi charge at 3mi/hr = 66+ hrs charging not including time/energy to heat the battery). And driving long distance to Grandma's with kids and gear, only to have to then drive to find a place to charge up (requiring someone to accompany you in another car unless you don't mind hanging around at your charging spot for several hours) is a downer. In one example, I too would need to drive from Virginia to Tinton Falls NJ, but admittedly haven't researched nearby charge locations. My point is that after 4+ hours of driving, I want to enjoy the company of family and not have to worry about coming / going to deal with charging the S85, worrying about the 'safety' / availability / operational status of the charging location, and any other perceived or actual inconvenience. To me, just installing a 240V at Grandma's is the best solution, but it is difficult to 'impose' that on someone just so I can drive up in the S85 "conveniently." Well, just take the SUV, then, would be the reply. So, in worst case situation (cold weather, long distance and too far to return to a SC, 110V charging only), to me the bottleneck remains in charging conveniently/timely at your destination. Any other thoughts (nothing snarky please ;) ) would be appreciated. Also, hamer, what charging option worked for you in Tinton Falls? Thanks.

AmpedRealtor | July 30, 2013

In my humble opinion, you should not look to Tesla to provide destination charging. The purpose of the supercharger network is to provide a quick charge to enable long treks between major cities. However, charging at the source and destination are the driver's responsibility. Ask to charge at your buddy's house or wherever you happen to be staying. If it's a business trip, stay at a hotel that provides a charging port. If at a friend's house, use their dryer plug or pay to install a 240v outlet in their garage if this is a frequent trip and you could find value in doing that.

Docrob | July 30, 2013

It is absolutely two way, you can travel from DC to Boston or from Boston to DC however both ways assumes you start with a full battery. Tesla has always said their primary goal of superchargers was to allow travel between destinations and that is exactly what their NE SC's allow, however charging AT the destination is and always was intended to be your responsibility. Ironically their are free charging options in Boston, however suggesting it is in any way common for someone to drive DC to Boston then turn around and come straight back again without an overnight stop where one could easily fully charge is just specious.

STEVEZ | July 30, 2013

@northern-va-dave: While the Model S has no equal as a practical daily driver, we're still in the early-adopter stage for EV road trips. Superchargers make cross-country driving practical and fun in a Model S, but the overall charging infrastructure is not built out yet, not even close. For now, those of us who make road trips in EVs do so in the knowledge that having a plan and making the plan work require some effort and time; the benefits of driving a car like Model S outweigh any disadvantages.

That will change, with time. Meanwhile, ask yourself why your Grandma would be reluctant to let you install a charging outlet in their garage, when it means facilitating visits from you and your family. Sounds like a win-win, to me: you get to drive the Model S instead of a gas guzzler (trust me, that's huge: the Tesla Grin is real) and she get to see her grandkids. Your savings in gas alone will cover the cost of the electrician in a handful of trips.

A thought: does she have a laundry room adjacent to the garage? Any way to get your 240V from there, without calling in an electrician?

hamer | July 30, 2013

@northern-va-dave

For charging while in Tinton Falls NJ: I was visiting my mother, who lived in an old-folks (otherwise known as a continuing care community) complex which was very large (7-10 buildings of 4-6 stories each). I asked at the front desk (one of them at any rate) whether there were any parking spaces near outlets so I could charge my car, and the lady called buildings and grounds and told me where one was (near the car wash in back of the assisted living building). I went there and around back of the car wash were a bunch of parking spaces with outlets where they could charge their electric carts and things like that. But I couldn't get any outlets working; there was not power in them. So I called and they sent out a person. He said that it was right next to the entrance to the car wash and showed me. I plugged it in and told him it would be a lot faster on a 240 volt 50 Amp NEMA 14-50 and he said, "Oh, I think we've got on of those on the back of the building." So we looked and there it was. Back of the huge trash compactors.

So I drove around the build, plugged in, and in 3-4 hours was charged up. (Had plenty of charge left from the Wilmington supercharger.)

So that's where I charged up before I returned. But in that general area, there are public chargers at Monmouth University, various Neptune Board of Education buildings, and there are Nissan dealers nearby who if asked nicely, by telephone, will often be happy to let you charge. Those options will all charge at about 20 miles in an hour.

Docrob | July 30, 2013

Northern VA Dave, personally I would have thought that showing your grandparents how with a simple dryer plug in the garage one can avoid ever needing to visit a gas station ever again is incredibly practical and convenient. I would think that would be worth doing anywhere you plan on visiting more then a few times a year, anywhere you plan on visiting less then twice a year its probably worth finding the most convenient public charging solutions. That doesn't only have to be overnight, public charging during a day trip to an attraction is becoming a common reality as well. If you combine some public charging with 110v where you stay then you may find a 15-40 unnecessary anyway.

Brian H | July 30, 2013

northern;
You make a good point about the overlapping circles. You can only get to the edge of one circle; being at the edge of another does you no good. You need to be at the center to get a charge!

Docrob | July 30, 2013

Yes, the SC map is a little misleading like that, the circles touching means nothing, the centre dot of one circle must be within the other circle to reach from SC to SC. This issue I predict will lead to a number of "Broder events" during the SC rollout as the SC's will not necessary be rolled out in a step wise manner leaving coverage gaps initially. There will be a period during the rollout where a cross country trip will mean a mix of super and standard charges, still more convenient then all standard charges, just important that Tesla manage expectations throughout the process and always remember its better to under promise and over deliver.

MSAddict | July 30, 2013

Ok, just for the record, I am a die hard new fan of TM and Elon and everything that the guy touches. This car has really changed the way I look at cars and that is a big statement the fact that I have been a car fanatic since I was of age 5. BUT, I can't help in reading that most posts here suggest the limitations of what the concept of 'superchargers' is suppose to be. I thought that TM is the company that makes things simpler so you don't have to think twice about your destination plans in your MS. I do think that this company is exactly that but for some reason I sense a form of limited boundaries by what TM's intentions of free driving is. I never meant to use the word 'free' in sense of $$$ but instead I used the word 'free' in sense of driving to a destination FREE OF WORRIES. I think TM always has intensions to make our travels free of worries and I'm sure they will get there ONE day but today is not that day. When I want to travel with my family of two kids and a wife, I want to be free of thinking of where to charge at my destination. And yes, to charge in someone else's dryer socket is not what Tesla intended. I highly doubt that my relative will think so highly of my MS once I ask him that I want to plug my car into his dryer outlet. None the less, I have big hopes in future TM plans to expand their SC network and for me to be able to drive worry FREE.

Neige | July 30, 2013

Free free to stop by my place and charge while in Boston. You can find me on Plug-share in Charlestown.

MSAddict | July 30, 2013

Thanks Jason. Will do if I have no choice :)

However, I spoke to my relative and told him about the situation and he did offer for me to plug into his dryer outlet which can solve the temporary problem of going out and charging. Does anyone know what kind of an adapter I would need for doing this?

Kleist | July 30, 2013

dryer outlets are 10-30 before 1996 and 14-30 after. Ask your relative if it 3 prong ( 10-30) or 4 prong (14-30).

nkohlimd | July 30, 2013

The Tesla store in Natick has 2 HPWC. Stop by, do some shopping and have a meal while you charge. The Watertown service station is also available for charging. I find locating a local Nissan dealer is the best bet for overnight charging and have been trying to get plan my overnight stays at hotels close to them. Did the same when we went to Cape and NH. Happy travels!

Kleist | July 30, 2013

@MSAddict - seems we misunderstood the meaning of "free".
On the other hand Tesla announces a multi year plan and then we expect it to magically appear over night the next day. Wrong expectations.

DTsea | July 30, 2013

Come on MS Addict. Electricity is everywhere. Even on a 110 outlet if you are staying one day you can get 75 miles of range. Milford to Boston is 145 miles, about 300 round trip.

Thus you need only 70 miles in an 85, or 125 in a 60, to go milford- boston- milford. Are you really driving washington to boston and not even spending one night there??

In an ICE car you would have to find a gas station. There are more electric plugs than gas stations in Boston, I assure you.

Docrob | July 30, 2013

You might expect Tesla to want to solve the issue of charging at destinations however they have clearly indicated that charging at destinations is the owners issue to solve and that their superchargers are to solve the issue of charging during the journey. There are already 11,000 public charging stations in the US, and millions of high current home "dryer" outliets, Tesla has decided that the market will solve the problem of charging needs in high density areas. The gap is that there is very little incentive to place public charging infrastructure along routes where they will see less traffic and where a slow level 2 charge is of very little use. Tesla has decided that is the issue they wish to provide a solution too and are doing so impressively. When you explain to your friend that your car's total Gas fill will cost around $7 and then offer to buy him dinner in return I'm sure he will be both impressed and content once again. If not, best go find one of those 11,000 public charging stations.

Paul1839 | July 30, 2013

The free parking and charging in NYC was at a Co-op at 186 Clinton St
New York‎ New York‎ 10002. Found it on the Plugshare app.
In Boston I used the free charger at Newton City Hall. You do need a chargepoint card to use them. I also topped of at the Whole Foods at 442 Washington St Wellesley‎ Massachusetts‎.

shop | July 30, 2013

How long are you staying at your destination? If a couple of days, a 120v outlet in the garage will work. A dryer socket is better, but it'll have to be within 20 feet of the tesla to use Tesla's adapters. There is a solution for plugging into a dryer socket more than 20 feet away but it may be more complicated than you would want.

LMB | July 30, 2013

@MSaddict

We did what you suggested - we put a 240 outlet in at grandma's house, because we know we'll be making that trip a lot. We're in Boston, she's west of Philly - problem solved, thanks to the superchargers in-between.

It helped that she's wildly enthusiastic about the car to start with, and that DH could do the work himself. But think of it - when your grandma's convinced, and ready to buy her own, she'll be all set!

AmpedRealtor | July 30, 2013

@ MSAddict,

I appreciate that you want driving an EV to be as worry-free an experience as driving an ICE vehicle. You don't want to worry about having a full "tank" when you leave or when you return, and want the security of there being plenty of superchargers to address every need. Maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way, but I think EVs demand a completely different mindset. You need to think outside of the gasoline paradigm.

Electricity is available everywhere, gasoline is a hazardous material that can only be purchased at select locations. Why on earth would anyone want to apply the restricted access gasoline model to the electrical grid? In my opinion, one of the greatest aspects of owning an EV is never having to "fill-up" ever again, never stop at a gas station, and provide yourself with all the charging you need at home.

Even though you can easily get power at your relative's house, you would still prefer that there be dedicated stations in town for this. Why? It is not needed and is a waste of construction costs, material and money. Whenever we drive from Point A to Point B and plan to stay at Point B overnight or longer, we usually have an idea of where Point B is going to be and where we will be staying. So why not include the consideration of whether your destination has a charging capability?

When you say "I highly doubt that my relative will think so highly of my MS once I ask him that I want to plug my car into his dryer outlet", I feel like you are embarrassed to highlight one of the strongest points of owning an EV - that you can charge at home. Instead of feeling insecure about this, turn it into a positive and show your relative how a Model S can free him of refueling restrictions by doing it at home. It would be a great opportunity, not a source of embarrassment. You may be surprised.

ian t.wa.us | July 30, 2013

Well said Amped. I was composing a similar reply to some of the posts in this thread as I read them but then you go and say what I was thinking!

It really is about changing the way we think about fueling our vehicles. It will take a paradigm shift away from the gas station model. That's the most freeing benefit of EV's, the ability to fuel while you do normal stuff like sleep, eat, visit with relatives, see the sites, etc. No more having to go somewhere special to top off the ol' "tank". Stop, plug in, when you go to leave it's full (or close enough to get you to your next destination or Supercharging station)!

Yes, this can even work when traveling! OK, maybe not while actually on the road, but when you're at your destination for the day or for the trip. As early adopters, it's going to take some time for this to be convenient, but be confident, the infrastructure (that's already there mind you) will be adapted to our use of it, and quicker than you might realize.

Cheers!

ian t.wa.us | July 30, 2013

Correction.

Yes, even when you're on the road! That's right, you have to stop for a pee, to eat, or to stretch your legs (maybe not a "have to" but definitely a should). You plug in at the Supercharging station and by the time you've drained your bladder, filled your belly and got the circulation in your legs back, SHAZAM! Your battery is full!

Brian H | July 30, 2013

DTsea;
There are indeed more outlets than gas stations, but are they accessible/available? There's the rub.

tsx_5 | July 30, 2013

Wow,

People must get real. Yes, Telsa plan was/is to get you there - but that doesn't minimize the REAL issue of charging once you are there.

When I read the OP situation, I think of mine - which is slightly worse. Mom and Dad's home has a physically seperated garage with no outlets in it (it's an older home). They are also 500 miles away. In an ICE that's 10 hours or one day. In my model S? Today it's two, no SC in between here and there. Dec 2013 supposedly one will be in between - which may make it a VERY long day... From the website, "We will soon roll out 120 kW Superchargers, which are 33% faster than our current version and can replenish half a charge in just 20 minutes...Charging the final 20% takes approximately the same amount of time as the first 80% due to a necessary decrease in charging current to help top-off cells." Interpretation, it will take about a hour to get a full charge. Given there is only one between here and there (planned for 2013) I would need a full charge, and that assumes it's at a mid point. If it's not, then it's back to a 2 day trip. In both cases I roll my expensive car into thier garage with little to no charge left.

Assuming I'm taking a week vacation, I have 3-5 days of visit time. If it's the 3 days, running an extension cord from thier house to the car is out of the question (at BEST I could get 75 miles a day - 3 days doesn't equal full charge). If it's 5, I maybe able to pull it off if it's a really good extension cable. BTW: Tesla frowns on using an extension cable to charge your car. So, now must look for a charging station and/or a family friend who would allow me to charge at thier home. Oh, wait -- most of thier homes are similar in construction as my parents. Guess I wil be parking my car, getting a ride from Mom/Dad back to thier house. I can hear it now... "Wow SWEET car, can you take us to . Sorry, needs time to charge from/for the 500 mile trip"

Solution: rent an ICE. As pointed out, the infastructure isn't there and making light of that fact isn't goint to help. Just because thier lots of outlets, doesn't mean there a lot of charging options. Use the money saved from fuel doing your daily commute and rent a car.

ian t.wa.us | July 30, 2013

@tsx_5 - How much to get an electrician to run electricity out to your parents garage and install a 14-50? Probably pay for it in ~5 trips with a rented ICE and the gas involved. How often do you see them?

Unless they're electrical system is as old as their home then it could be a lot more to get the panel upgraded. You're not installing a 100 amp HPWC though so this is probably not needed.

As for the in between, well I hope you get a couple SC's. There is a form floating around and here on Tesla's website for submitting SC location requests.

Cheers!

tsx_5 | July 30, 2013

@goneskiian - as sad as it seems, mostly once a year. It cost me about $500 to run power to my garage and it's attached (breaker as far away from garage as humanly possible). So I would expect my parents to be significantly worse, but I don't know that for sure.

BTW: the trip is from York, PA to Kalamazoo, MI (and it actually longer than 500 miles).

ian t.wa.us | July 30, 2013

tsx_5 - Maybe something like this will help at your parents...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0024ECIP0/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_...

It's a 30 foot extension cord for 50 amp connection.

Cheers!

portia | July 30, 2013

I had no problem talked my dad into putting a 14-50 in his garage so I can charge my car when I visit him by car, which I expected to be only once or twice a year (we fly the other times), but then he saw my Tesla, and decided to get one himself, and he already has a charger installed!
Granted not every grandparent/relative will do so, but it does not hurt to ask.

MSAddict | July 30, 2013

@Amped

Yes, I would absolutely expect a SC to be at a destination not only to save time but in many others aspects as suggested by other posts by people who are limited in the ability to get a 240 installed. My main concern is the time factor. Yes there are many more electrical outlets available than gas stations but can a person wait for 4 - 5 days to get a full charge? Or 4 - 6 hours to get a half charge from a charge point? I would sure be challenged to drive to a chargepoint and leave my MS to charge for 4 hours while I figure out how to spend that time while having two kids and a wife with me. I call that impractical until TM one day decides to install a SC at certain destinations. In todays world, most people want fast and hopefully furure SC's can provide that luxury till the battery swap system is in place. Overall, TM has done a FANTASTIC job with the MS, and we all have to a certain extend become spoiled due to the perfection of the car.

northern-va-dave | July 30, 2013

Thanks for all the additional posts/replies.

@Stevez: good point re: EV road trips. I agree that it would be a win to install the 240V, benefiting me in terms of convenience and benefiting my folks in terms of seeing the grandkids. I think any perceived reluctance on their part is due to not at all appreciating what a game-changer / tipping point this is for us, and not knowing what it requires. For example, having read the Consumer Reports review, the first question I was asked was “is it going to be big enough for your family?” Yes, that’s true. People, not just my folks, have this perception that EVs are required to be these tiny little specialty buggies that are not family car/sedan replacements. So, I’m working on education too…. Perhaps I will do the first trip or two by finding a local level-2 capable charger, and just plugging on the 110 in their garage overnight. Thereafter, I can press to install the 240 and hopefully the inconvenience/hassle/worry issues will go away! Oh – and I did ask about the 240V from the laundry room. The stars were aligned against me. They recently downsized, and are redoing the kitchen/laundry in their one-story – they are getting rid of the gas range and replacing it with an electric, and also getting rid of the electric dryer and replacing it with a gas dryer! WHAT? So, the 240 is now moving from laundry to kitchen, and the gas is moving from kitchen to laundry. Sheesh.

@hamer: Thanks for the info on charging in / near Tinton Falls. I will have to look that up and research more closely the charging options after I order the MS. Good to know that you had plenty of charge left over from the Delaware SC by the time you got to Tinton Falls. It’s about 215mi total from my home, so I was hoping to make the drive all the way (if I had 240V charging in my folks’ garage to prep for the return trip), or with a stop at the Delaware SC in each direction to top off in case of traffic/accident/weather issues. Nissan dealers might be another option there on Shrewsbury Avenue, but I heard stories about some dealers not allowing non-Nissan cars to charge. But, I can kill ‘em with kindness and see what happens. :) If and when I do my first trip up there in an MS, I may reach out to you again for further trip advice. Thanks again.

@Docrob: Definitely. I think it will just take time to win them over and for them to realize that there is no hassle or problem that affects them in any way. (I thought maybe they might be squirrely about putting in a 50A circuit on a house that I’m not even sure if it has 200A service!) For the time being, I will plan to combine public charging with the 110V overnight at the house and see what happens. But, having a 240V at my destination and a SC midway on the trip would completely obliterate any worry about doing such a long drive in the MS.

@MSAddict: I got you in that you meant free of worries. That’s what I was trying to get at too with my first post. I’m viewing the Delaware SC, for instance, as simply a “booster” in terms of the overall distance I can go with the MS in one day. I view the SC as a luxury bonus, and not a requirement for long distance MS travel. That’s why I’m more concerned about destination-based charging to charge up for the return trip (and allow for the umpteen local miles just giving people rides to let them experience the car). I mean, I really would prefer not to drive more than 4 hours in one stretch with kids, etc., anyway. So, 240+mi/day would be about it for me personally anyway. I just don’t want to be somewhere without level2 charging over the winter holidays, and have the 110V barely keep up with heating my battery. So, we’ll see how it plays out….

@DTsea: Not to speak for MSAddict, but finding a gas station and going from capital-E empty to full tank might only take 10 minutes including the drive to the gas station. Absent a SC, even with level2 charging at, say, 20mi/hr, 200mi refill is a 10-hr overnight stay to charge. Not possible on a 110V overnight I don’t think. Even with appropriate planning and strategy, I don’t want my only fallback option to be a 110V when it’s sub-30F outside. But, you are right – electricity is everywhere nowadays, and I’m sure level2 charging is available for the finding with a little persistence.
@shop: visits from VA to parts of NJ or PA could be as quick as an overnight or as long as several nights. But I’m purposefully avoiding the rose colored glasses of temperate weather, no wind, and constant elevation. I’m thinking worst case – low temperatures, traffic, or some other curve ball just to get me off my game. If I blow 200+mi of charge getting to my destination, and 110V is the only option, I’m looking at 66+hrs of charging in winter not counting time to heat/maintain heat for the battery before charging even can begin. Now, if I go 200+mi to the beach in the summer, and stay all week with little driving during that time, I have no worries with leaving the MS to percolate on the 110V all week long. It’s just that I’d like to avoid having to make compromises b/c I would plan to use an EV. Not that I wouldn’t, but I want to demonstrate and have confidence in it such that I don’t think “can” I do this trip in an EV, but rather “when” (because it would be just as easy as in an ICE).

@LMB: Great news that it worked out! I’ll need win them over on the “wildly enthusiastic” part.

@Tsx_5: Renting an ICE or using the existing ICE at home is the ultimate fallback option, especially if I’m dealing with snow/inclement weather etc. But a fallback I would hope to avoid as much as possible.

@portia: I will definitely be asking. I think I will need to do the trial-run / demonstration / proof of concept test drive first!

ian t.wa.us | July 30, 2013

@nothern-va-dave - With all that work your parents are having done it sounds like a perfect time to ask them to add a 240v plug in the garage!

Kleist | July 30, 2013

@northern-va-dave - it may take more then once asking.
had the same with my inlaws who live 200 miles RT away, so it is no problem on a single charge. Problem arises when we do some local drivng at the inlaws or you have a traffic jam and use more juice then expected. The dryer outlet is upstairs and so we started out with a 50 ft extension cord through the living room at night... my father inlaw had a 14-50 installed in his garage by himself. Once he understood that when his daughter comes by herself and she is short of range and then the only option left is to charge at 11pm at night at some dark place on the road - it was a done deal in his mind.

shop | July 30, 2013

@MSAddict, "Yes, I would absolutely expect a SC to be at a destination not only to save time but in many others aspects as suggested by other posts by people who are limited in the ability to get a 240 installed."

Maybe the Tesla isn't for you then. The reality today is that fast charging infrastructure is not universal. You can do your part by installing 240V outlets at your destinations, but if this is beyond what you want to do, then maybe you should buy an ICE and wait for the world to revolve around to where you want it to be.

Sorry for the tone, but really! As many people have pointed out, current EV charging infrastructure assumes you can figure out how to charge at your long distance destination. Tesla is NOT going to put a supercharger in your urban center. They have made that very clear.

Brian H | July 30, 2013

Destination charging is not and cannot be Tesla's problem. There are uncountable destinations, but the links are countable, and serviceable.

Kleist | July 31, 2013

This reminds me of the Giving Tree - first we enjoy the apples, but in the end we have used every bit of the tree and all it is left is sitting on the stump.

We have become such a needy society... I need this - why isn't it provided to me NOW?

Four weeks ago I was in a traffic jam on the 280 for 2.5 hrs in blistering heat... in front of me 5 ICEs ran out of gas with the exit and gas station less then 1/4 mile away. Yes, gas stations are there conveniently at every corner, but if you don't turn on your brains and plan a little it really doesn't make a difference.

tobi_ger | July 31, 2013

@Kleist +1
So true, especially the last part!

tsx_5 | July 31, 2013

Yes,

we know Tesla has not expressed ANY plans to put SC in local areas, however, people should be so quick to judge/hammer people expecting reasonable ways to accomplish thier travels. Especially since Tesla promises that (my GREATEST grip with Tesla)...

On the very frontpage of thier website: "model S zero emissions zero compromises" and "580 per month after gas savings" -- hmmm..., for an effective cost of 580 I can get a really sweet car that does everything?

Nope, that's a clearly not the case. And Telsa isn't telling people that it's not the case. So it shouldn't surprise anyone when people show up with those expectations.

I tend to research a lot, especially for something this expensive, so I already knew I would have to rent an ICE for trips home. But not everyone is like me...

Docrob | July 31, 2013

Then get that other car that does everything if the Model S doesn't work for you/.

mrspaghetti | July 31, 2013

Docrob +1

And if people buy anything that costs ~$90k without doing their homework and claim they didn't get what they expected, then they got what they deserved.

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