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Supercharger Access cost for 60kWh battery and other Options & Specs questions

Supercharger Access cost for 60kWh battery and other Options & Specs questions

Trying to get a very accurate comparison of the 60kWh, 85kWh & 85kWh Performance options as it is getting close to making an order and signing a contract. The Options & Specs page though very informative has left me with many questions. Questions that without the answers I will not be able to order my Model S.

Can TESLA come up with the cost for Supercharger Access for the 60kWh battery now and go ahead and post this cost to the Options & Specs page. TBD could almost be anything and way too much of a variable to just not care what the final cost will be? If the cost for Supercharger Access is cost prohibitive, why put out the extra cost for the Twin chargers and High Power Wall Connector?

What is the difference between the regular drive inverter and the high performance drive inverter included in the Performance Model S? Are the High Performance Tires and 21" wheels just for looks without the high performance drive inverter? If Supercharger Access is included with the Performance model shouldn't the Twin chargers come standard on the Performance model? I've compared the 85kWh battery model with the 85kWh battery Performance model and can easily come up with $6,500 worth of upgrades but am having a hard time justifying the additional $8,500 cost between the two models. Is there really $8,500 cost tied to the high performance drive inverter?

Also, is there a destination charge for making delivery to my home? Is this charge a flat fee charged to everyone, or is it based on the actual milage to deliver from the factory to my home?

A quick response by TESLA on these questions would be appreciated.

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stevenmaifert | April 23, 2012

@jkirkebo - You touched on a good point. For those contemplating installing the TM HPC, they should check on the rating of the electrical service to their home. If the rating on the main breaker in the power panel is 100 Amps or less, it would be a good idea to have the service evaluated by an electrician before making the HPC purchase. Chances are you will have to upgrade and that can get expensive, especially if the service line is buried like mine was when I had to upgrade to 200 Amp service to accommodate a solar power installation.

BruceR | April 26, 2012

@MandL - I like your idea of the retractable cord set. Problem is cost. I contacted the company you referenced and they wanted over 3 grand for the high voltage and high current version. If you wanted to only have the 120V version at low current for everyday operation, then the cost is much more reasonable. Of course the other issue would be the availability of Tesla's connector to make this a truely plug and play option.

Teoatawki | April 26, 2012

Whatever you do, you want to make sure your cables are set so you don't have it coiled anywhere when charging. The coil can waste energy as well as overheat.

jkirkebo | April 27, 2012

Unfortunately I already have the maximum normal service, 3x63A. I know Model S will support 3-phase in Europe but I assume it will only support the normal 400V 3-phase and not the 230V delta-only variant used in Norway and Albania only. Thus I expect to be limited to single-phase charging and since I already have two 3-phase appliances (heat pump (max 3x32A) and induction cooktop (max 3x20A) it's quite limited how much power I can pull from any single phase.

jkirkebo | April 27, 2012

So in conclusion I'd like to see a "mini" HPC too, supporting 16 to 40A draw and thus with thinner wires.

olanmills | April 27, 2012

@DanD
this isn't a joke and we're not particuarly happy to hear "that's what you should expect as an early adopter".

While I agree that Tesla should not be saying or implying anything like this, it's still going to be true to some extent. Spending $10,000 on the latest TV isn't a joke either, but still rich people do it, knowing full well that in 2 years or less, the same tech will be better implemented with beter features at bigger sizes for < $2000.

I'm not suggesting that Tesla is taking shortcuts or disregarding customers. I don't think that at all. But I'm almost certain that, should Tesla succeed with the Model S, that the cars 5-10 years down the road are going to be much better. If that's not the case, then what is Tesla doing really? What's there to look forward to?

In the future, the batteries are going to take your car much farther for less money. I also bet that in the future, there will be a sedan (and I'm not saying it's Bluestar) that is more mass market priced and it will have better features and more features than the Model S. There will also be more models, and more options more variations for each of those models to better suit different needs and tastes then what we have now.

You're buying a new type of car that also comes from a new company that is building a car from the ground up for the first time. (Roadster was developed and produced with Lotus). So aside from the given aspects of being an early adopter with technology, there's also several factors that differ from buying a car, even if it was a new type of car (Volt, Leaf, etc), from a giant car company with a global network or people, facilities, and resources.

So yes, we're early adopters, and there's almost certainly some aspects of this product and purchase experience that are affected by that factor.

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