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Norwegian deliveries

I reserved my P85 #2145 on 27. December. Yesterday I decided to sign up for the Signature wait list. The Signatures are all gone of course but I thought that maybe enough defers to open for a chance. The eternal optimist. Of course, TM UK office confirmed the wait list is long, but that I am on it.
Curious about when they expect deliveries will start in Norway, especially now that production is cranked up. I was told for now they plan 12 months from my reservation date. That means maybe for Christmas. Bummer!

Anyone else with info about Europe arrivals?

bent | September 13, 2013

How many people in Norway can actually afford to buy a Tesla Model S?
Very very many. Consider that a new car here will typically run you 150k-250k NOK. That leaves let's say a 300k NOK gap up to a Tesla.

It is the norm in Norway for people to own their house or apartment. Renting is uncommon. An important part of the reason for this is a tax law which very heavily favours having a mortgage rather than paying rent.

Norway never had a proper housing crash in or after 2008*, and homes have been steadily rising in value for ages: Over the last ten years the average home has increased in value by over 100%. A home can easily cost 1M NOK and up in or near the cities. So a family that bought a home 5-10 years ago and has been making its downpayments since should easily be able to go to the bank and increase the mortgage by 300k NOK secured by the property. This is all they need to close the gap up to the Model S, if what they really want is a Model S.

* They say one is coming "any time now" but they've been saying that a while. In any case, that's only one more reason to milk the mortgage while you still can right? :p

Benz | September 13, 2013

@bent

Thanks for the info.
That's good news.

Cheers

Cindy I II III | September 13, 2013

@bent it's fascinating to learn how different each country is. Thank you for the information.

I just learned yesterday about Australia where electricity is more expensive than gas (assuming the Aussie didn't lie to me), and optical cables are not wide-spread due to the vast size of the country and the thin population spread. I had thought Australia were Texas with beaches - how ignorant of me. (But I did know that Norway is NOT Canada with lots of blonds, for whatever it's worth)

Thinker | September 13, 2013

Best place to get quick info on EV´s in Norway is here;

http://www.elbil.no

In Norwegian, but easily digestible by Google translate

Latest here about Tesla and how the car is NOT taxed in Norway

Also about MB using Tesla drive train in their new B

BMW sold 700 i3 before deliverable in Norway, and VW, sold 1000 e-Up´s

Also, Renault now allowing their new e-car sold with battery (previously only a lease option)

So, for EV connoisseurs, a must site to follow :-)

GeirT | September 13, 2013

Just add to the rosy stories, taxation is very, very severe In Norway where 50% income tax bracket is quickly reached. Deductibles are few and not at all comparable to the US tax code. And don't forget that VAT on everything is 25%.

The MS interest is huge because the price is comparable to any regular sized car due to no import fees or duties and VAT. @bent mentioned, to extend the house mortgage is easy and the MS is frankly a no-brainer; a super luxury car that you normally would never be able to afford and who knows how long this will last.

The press has started to publish "hate stories" about MS being a subsidised luxury car. And in a country where "envy is stronger than sexuality" that discussion does not bode well.

Lille Lance | September 13, 2013

How many TMS are produced pr day right now?

Benz | September 13, 2013

@Lance Westin

Must be somewhere between 100 and 120 per day (on average).

Benz | September 13, 2013

@Lance Westin

Actually, it's more likely to be around 120. It surely is (much) higher than 100.

Lille Lance | September 14, 2013

I've got delivery in January 2014. Any chance that Tesla can speed up the production so my delivery will be November or December 2013? ...

Benz | September 14, 2013

@Lance Westin

There is a higher frequency in VIN assignment, and the production rate should follow accordingly (just about). If your delivery is early January 2014, then it just might get to early December 2013. But that is just a guess. Nothing is sure.

Benz | September 14, 2013

@Lance Westin

You should take a look at the thread called: "Post your newly assigned VIN's".

There is a graph with red dots. And it shows that there is progress in the weekly number of assigned VIN's.

Benz | September 14, 2013

@Thinker

The other option is start learning the Norwegian language.

Benz | September 15, 2013

I wonder if the Norwegian language is a difficult language to learn for a person who already can speak Dutch, German and English. Maybe a Norwegian Tesla friend can tell me more about this.

Notre | September 15, 2013

My impression is that Dutch and German speaking people pick up the language relatively easily when they move here. Brits are generally slower and usually keep a more pronounced accent.

Winnie796 | September 15, 2013

We English in Norway have a huge disadvantage learning Norwegian. The vast majority of Norwegians speak excellent English. Whenever we try to speak Norwegian the Norwegians reply in English. Still, just using children's television and not going to language school, I was fluent in Norwegian within one year. It is not a difficult language to learn.
Now, can we get back on topic?

Benz | September 15, 2013

If anybody in Norway finds an article about the car sales figures of the second week of September 2013 (in any media), please post it here in this thread. Thanks

Benz | September 15, 2013

It might be a good idea to request Norwegian people to post some photo's of their Model S in this thread. That would be great.

Benz | September 16, 2013

The newspaper/media that provided the news of the sales figures of the Model S and the VW Golf during the first week of September 2013, was that BilNorge.no?

Would it be possible if somebody in Norway would contact them by phone and ask them to do the same for the second week of September 2013, and publish that article in the current week? That would be great.

Benz | September 16, 2013

Norway is a special country for Tesla Motors. Because the real sales figures are much lower than in the US, therefore it might possible to sooner reach a higher market share than in the US. And this news could give a boost to the people in other countries as well.

Benz | September 16, 2013

Meaning that Norway could trigger a real boost in EV's sales in many European countries.

GeirT | September 16, 2013

@ Benz

Check webcam from Drammen port: http://drammenhavn.no/index.php/webcam/

Not too good resolution but with many containers maybe the MS can be spotted :-)

GeirT | September 16, 2013

@ Benz

For pictures, check this thread: http://elbilforum.no/forum/index.php/topic,8807.0.html

Benz | September 16, 2013

@GeirT

Some nice photo's of Model Ses there. No link with September sales figures in Norway?

Benz | September 16, 2013

Model S sales figure for the first half of September 2013?

My guess would be: 250.

And your guess would be?

Lille Lance | September 17, 2013

@Benz

My guess would be 185

Lille Lance | September 17, 2013
Benz | September 17, 2013

In Switzerland in the first eight months of 2013 45 Model Ses were registered (apparently all in August 2013). That's about a third of Norway's 134.

Winnie796 | September 17, 2013

P2144(EU) Vin 169xx

Silver P85+ Pano + everything.

The Tesla factory is building your Model S

Finally, no more looking at "Sourcing parts!!!"

Hijan | September 17, 2013
Benz | September 17, 2013

@Hijan

Thanks for posting the link. You are great.

Wow, for the second week more registrations than the VW Golf.

In the second week of September 2013: 161 registrations of the Model S in Norway. And a total of 322 for the first half of September 2013.

But I thought that in the first week of September there were 134 registrations of the Model S in Norway? Are these figures correct?

Notre | September 17, 2013

Different sources and maybe some overlap could explain minor differences in absolute numbers, but the relative numbers are mor interesting and should be 100% comparable.

Article in Google Translate format: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=no&rurl=tr...

Notre | September 17, 2013

"- Imponeringen from us has just begun, says Norwegian Tesla CEO."

We have just begun to impress, says ..

Benz | September 17, 2013

@Hijan @Notre

"In the second week of September 2013: 161 registrations of the Model S in Norway. And a total of 322 for the first half of September 2013."

I find it a bit curious that the total for first half (322) is exactly twice the figure for the second week of September (161). I don't think that is a coincidense. That must be an error in calculation. They didn't look for the figure of the first week (which was 134). Instead, they just multiplied the figure of the second week of September by 2. This looks too obvious to me.

What do you guys think about that?

Notre | September 17, 2013

These are official data. It is coincidental. Look at the other figures in the table. First week numbers may have been revised.

Benz | September 17, 2013

@Notre

Another possibility could be that, they don't know the exact figure of the second week of September, but they do know the exact total figure of the first half of September (being 322). And what they did is they divided it by 2.

And that would mean that the total for the first half of September is correct, and that's actually what it's all about.

We have three figures for the first two weeks of September: 134, 161, and 322. Mathematically one of them is wrong. That is for sure.

Thinker | September 17, 2013

Likely the 511 for ytd is probably valid. Not bad considering deliveries only from August....

GeirT | September 17, 2013

@ Winnie796

I am right after you with EU2145/VIN16851 and also I got the wonderful message today that sourcing for parts is finally over and my car is in production.
Look like delivery before mid-November after all. That was indicated when I talked to TM Oslo two weeks ago.
The excitement has moved to a totally different level!

Car-El | September 17, 2013

Still looking for some parts for my car.... #2440

:-(

martijn | September 17, 2013

@ Julius, I understand you're impatience completely.
But hey, it can be worse.
I'm #1435 (NL), If I would live in Norway I would probably get my S this week.
But also still searching parts for my car which should be delivered mid-november.
You guys run way ahead of us, even already have a supercharger network.
Just a little jealous ;-) and impatience as well.

bonaire | September 17, 2013

@Benz,
I saw the doubling too - on about 5 of the lines - strange numeration going on in there. I would say that five lines having exact doubling is a math concern since the laws of chaos would guard against that happening.

Benz | September 17, 2013

@bonaire

"Another possibility could be that, they don't know the exact figure of the second week of September, but they do know the exact total figure of the first half of September (being 322). And what they did is they divided it by 2."

I think that is the right assumption. Certainly now that you (sharply) have noticed that there are more doublings in the list. Now I am sure about it.

But we have a total of the first two weeks of September (322), and an overall total of 511. And that is great. Now I think that the total for the whole month of September could even be 600+. Wow

Winnie796 | September 17, 2013

@GeirT I've been following you because you are so close to me in ordering this car. I'm just as excited for you as myself.
I'm on holiday for the first three weeks of October so a delivery end of October is OK for me. Let us both hope we get our then! Middle of November will be frustrating.

Benz | September 17, 2013

The 2013 year total for Model S deliveries in Norway could even be as high as 2,400 if they keep on delivering at this pace.

Car-El | September 17, 2013

@martijn

OH! That is sad for you. But I do hope you get your car soon.
And SC... Nerest is over 1300 km away... :-/. Still, it can be worse!

GeirT | September 17, 2013

@ Winnie796

Brothers in arms :-)

My bit of frustration is that I most of the time work in Asia. Hoped delivery being back and before going back early October. Now, late October would be good but mid-November is actually not too bad either.

Cross fingers!

Lille Lance | September 17, 2013

@ GeirT
@ Benz

Check webcam from Drammen port: http://drammenhavn.no/index.php/webcam/

I have been told that 150 Tesla are arriving Drammen each week.

Benz | September 18, 2013

@Lance Westin

That could be about right, in the first half of September 2013 there were 322 registrations of the Model S in Norway.

Benz | September 18, 2013

We can also say that in Norway every day (except Sunday) about 25 registrations of Model Ses are being made.

goranos | September 18, 2013

Still waiting my 2998...:(( hope see it soon

Benz | September 18, 2013

I wonder how many Norwegians will have chosen to buy a Model S with a 60 kWh battery pack?

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