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So far it looks like the seats covers are leather in all the photos. Any chance of a leather-free option for those of us who aren't fond of sitting on dead animal skin? How about the steering wheel?

jat | March 12, 2013

I guess Model S sales will be poor in India.

CarlE_P439 | March 12, 2013

I feel your pain (ahimsa). I have had my Model S (with microfiber seats) for almost 3 months now and have been very satisfied. It is true that the steering wheel is covered in animal skin unfortunately. But consider the benefit to the environment that comes with driving such a car (as being vegan also benefits the earth). I think it is a small price to pay.

PaceyWhitter | March 12, 2013

I must be a horrible person because I read the title with a comma in it, ie:

Dead animal, free upholstery

And thought we would get free upholstery if we brought in a dead animal.

ddruz | March 12, 2013

@shs - "with memory" was removed from the textile seats on the Options and Pricing page a little while ago while the wording was retained for leather. It does not appear memory is available with textile even with the 2013 price increase though the seats are now heated and have 12-way adjustment.

shs | March 12, 2013

@ddruz

That is weird. Can't image why. While discussing option with Customer Service, I had the distinct impression that if I was willing to cough up $2500 the new textile seats would have memory, etc. I didn't go that way.

TeslaTap.com | March 12, 2013

I makes sense to me - animals have memory, textile doesn't.

pylt | April 23, 2013

GeirT,

You wrote:

"Are you kidding?
Seriously, you did not know of the leather seats and suddenly now you need to make a big stink?
Amazing!"

With all due respect, what's "Amazing!" is that your parents brainwashed us into believing that cats and dogs were part of our family, but the cows, chickens and pigs that were murdered for their flesh and skins were unfeeling, unthinking, non-sentient beings . . . . That was a lie.

I encourage you to watch the intro video at www.Meat.org and then we'll talk. Until then, I suggest you become better informed on the lies our parents told us.

http://www.petatest.org/issues/animals-used-for-clothing/leather-industr...

Thanks.

Sincerely,

Mark

p.s. Just so you know, we're not designed to eat animal flesh either:

http://www.vegsource.com/news/2009/11/the-comparative-anatomy-of-eating....

CarlE_P439 | April 23, 2013

Mark, why don't you just get the microfiber/textile interior???

Brian H | April 23, 2013

And we're not designed to wear clothes. It just happens to improve efficiency over naked grazing and gathering.

eAdopter | April 23, 2013

The folks at TM called me a few days after finalizing my car in December (not delivered yet). They were concerned because I ordered the Textile interior. The staff member had been asked to call people in my position to inform us that the Textile interior has leather trim. Basically, the Textile interior is the same as a leather interior except for the middle of the seats where cloth is used. I didn't want any leather but there was no other choice.

mrspaghetti | April 23, 2013

@Brian H

I'm actually naked right now. I must admit, it feels pretty good.

DouglasR | April 23, 2013

@mrspaghetti -- but are you grazing and gathering?

ncn | April 23, 2013

Mark, it's actually dead goats; "Nappa leather" is goat leather. I had to get it because I'm allergic to the polyester, which is what the "microfiber" is.

FWIW, I believe the goats were being killed already anyway for their meat, so it's not like minks, it's an Eskimo-style "use the whole animal" thing. If this influences anyone.

(I could also point out that the polyester is made from fossil oil which is at least partly from long-dead animals.)

mrspaghetti | April 23, 2013

@DouglasR

It depends on the definition of those terms. I "gathered" a box of Ritz crackers from my pantry and now I'm "grazing" on them from my easy chair. Does that count?

mrspaghetti | April 23, 2013

Hey, and Ritz have no meat, so I'm in keeping with the thread! Score one for me.

Brian H | April 24, 2013

Ritz are soaked in cheese ...

shamrockceo | July 15, 2013

Holy thread necro, Batman!

Robert Hodgen | July 15, 2013

If we didn't eat cows they'd be practically extinct. The biggest threat to wildlife is the loss of habitat from agriculture. Farmers tend to drive away or shoot animals that eat their crops.

We evolved as hunter-gatherers eating a variety of animal and plant foods. Hunter-gatherers ate plenty of meat. Many of them revered the animals they ate and didn't separate man from the animal kingdom. They realized that today we eat the animal, but tomorrow the worms will eat us.

tobi_ger | July 15, 2013

Our human brains evolved over millenia to the current volume with the help of the proteines delivered by meat.
In the (near) future, however, an additional food source could be insects (put some salt and chili on that!).

AmpedRealtor | July 15, 2013

@ Robert Hodgen, Our ancestors were hunter-gatherers and ate meat out of a necessity for survival when nothing else was available. The advent of agriculture changed all of that. Today we eat meat largely because we like the taste, it is convenient, and we are separated from the actual killing of the animal and processing it into the form that's on your plate or neatly wrapped in the meat counter at Safeway. In short, we continue to eat meat because it is tasty and easy, but the historical and clinical evidence show that we should not be eating meat if we desire to live long lives and in an environmentally sustainable way.

The cattle industry is one of the biggest contributors of greenhouse gasses into our atmosphere. Pound for pound, methane's impact on climate change is 20x worse than CO2. You say that the biggest threat to wildlife is from agriculture and farmers shooting wildlife? This sounds so incredibly absurd I'm (almost) at a loss for words. Let's just completely ignore the impact of cattle ranching and how much grazing land cattle need. If more people stopped eating meat to the betterment of their health and the world around us, we would have far fewer cattle ranches and much reduced impact on climate change.

In your view, cows should thank us for their endless slaughter because we keep them from becoming extinct and the biggest threat to wildlife is the agrarian farmer who shoots animals that eat his crops. Um, when was the last time you saw a bear, mountain lion, or wolf gnawing on a stalk of corn? or celery? I'm certain that coyotes eating cauliflowers is a big problem...

AmpedRealtor | July 15, 2013

@ tobi_ger, actually homo sapien's brain size has remained the same over the millennia. The size of our brain is dictated by our DNA, not by what we eat. Gorillas have huge body mass, yet eat only leaves. Homo Neanderthalensis, an ancestor of homo sapiens, actually had a larger brain size and was presumably more intelligent, yet neanderthals went extinct.

tobi_ger | July 15, 2013

@AR
Please read: http://www.livescience.com/24875-meat-human-brain.html
With millenia I wasn't talking about the past 2K years, but rather 2-3M years.

Roamer@AZ USA | July 15, 2013

All this written by people who's very existence takes away habitat for animals. The only real solution is to just stop eating and by doing so let the land return to the creatures that lived there before you built your house on it.

I feel sorry for all those Micro Fibers slaughtered just so you can sit on them.

AmpedRealtor | July 15, 2013

One "study" linked in the article (actually not a study, but a lone archaeologist from Spain) draws its conclusion from a skull fragment containing evidence of anemia. Because anemia is typically caused by a B9 and B12 deficiencies, one Spanish archaeologist concluded that correlation equals causation - vegans sometimes suffer from B12 deficiencies and anemia, therefore this skull fragment is evidence that the victim had a "meat poor" diet and therefore early humans needed meat to evolve. However, the same archaeologist went on to say that the same type of anemia is caused by malaria and parasites - which have nothing to do with eating meat.

So one study is not really a study, but just the opinion of a single Spanish archaeologist who based his conclusion on one skull fragment that showed evidence of anemia. After having uncovered this, I decided not to investigate the second supposed "study" referenced by this article. Drawing meaningful conclusions from an extremely limited amount of evidence when other explanations also exist shows a bias, in my opinion.

My philosophy is to live and let live, but those who want a cruelty-free option for materials and interiors of their Model S should certainly have that option.

Brian H | July 15, 2013

No sneaking vitamin pill supplements.

Soon enough, we'll all be able to get vat meat. Fake long pig (human flesh) would be ideal!

BTW, even pandas will eagerly eat scavenged meat if they come across it!

tobi_ger | July 15, 2013

OT, but the pagination for this thread seems off... it shows 5 pages but only shows the latest entry when going to page 4. Minor rounding error there in their PHP.

tobi_ger | July 15, 2013

Ooops... that last post fixed it. Nevermind.

dborn @nsw.au | July 15, 2013

Examination of human teeth shows a blend of features typical of ruminant animals as well as those of carnivores. Conclusion, we are designed to eat an omnivorous diet. We also do NOT possess the appropriate enzymes to digest cellulose.
Conclusion- feed the man meat ( and vegetables) with a free conscience!!

GeirT | July 15, 2013

Soylent green next!

shs | July 15, 2013

Just because you can do something does not mean that you should. The environmental impact of meat is huge, and then there are the health issues.

Brian H | July 15, 2013

Ya wanna live forever? Eat meat and be merry!

pylt | September 7, 2013

Just an update for all regarding the 100% cruelty-free interior choice now available for ALL Tesla Model S buyers.

Contact Customer Service immediately after placing your order, advising them that you're ordering a VEGAN Tesla and will not accept one made with the parts of murdered animals. (NO Tesla buyer should, but don't get me started . . . )

For a few months now there has been a special order, NON-leather steering wheel available for Vegan Teslas, AND IT SHOULD NOW BE AVAILABLE FOR THE ASKING when you place your order.

I FedEx'd a package to Elon on why I had had to cancel my original MS order based on this issue, but re-instated immediately when Tesla advised of the change. Tesla is not perfect, but they do respond quickly when things aren't right.

We are loving our 100% Cruelty-Free Tesla Model S!

Frankly, we couldn't tell the difference in the steering wheels upon delivery. However, our recent service loaner was equipped with a "cruelty-steering wheel" and we could detect a very subtle difference in the texture. Otherwise, it's the same steering wheel--kudos to the great work at Tesla for making this happen!

Please help spread the word--if you or someone you know is buying a Tesla, please go all the way and make the greatest impact on your environmental footprint by ordering the most ethical, moral and environmentally beneficial interior: textile, synthetic leather/leatherette, AND the vegan steering wheel.

More details here:

www.worldwatch.org/files/pdf/Livestock%20and%20Climate%20Change.pdf

www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?newsID=20772&CR1=warning#.UiuYnBsqh-o

For the ethical considerations, please see:

www.meat.org

www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-clothing/leather-industry.aspx

www.chooseveg.com/

Buying a Tesla makes a difference. Please make the biggest, most powerful and positive difference for the planet and for the animals with whom we share it, by ordering only 100% Vegan, Cruelty-Free Teslas!

Thank you.

Mark
Model S: P12195

markkiernan | September 7, 2013

Strongest man in German is vegan.

markkiernan | September 7, 2013

I asume everyone here who eats meat also eats human? No? Why not?

carlk | September 7, 2013

Taste?

shs | September 7, 2013

@pyit, +1

fuellss | September 7, 2013

Are we sure the steering wheel is leather ?? Vegan Car Lover- I appreciate your stand...

SRPumps | September 7, 2013

I am also vegan and ordered mine with the textile. However, there was no need to special order a vegan steering wheel because under the Specs page on this web site the wheel is described as,

"Hand wrapped microfiber and synthetic leather interior surfaces in black"

Is the steering wheel not an interior surface?

Brian H | September 8, 2013

Reputedly the taste is even better than chicken.

Vegans hate livestock, and want it all killed and buried before breeding, so they don't have to live like other genetically debased omnivores.

Mixed farming (fodder and root vegetables plus herds) saved many of the peasants whose descendants probably include a number of these holier-than-everybody ungulate pretenders. If they'd starved like the ones who stuck to warm-weather grains ...

markkiernan | September 8, 2013

The important thing is that Tesla provide non animal based materials for their cars and that is fine with me.

GDH | September 8, 2013

Holy cow this thread is from 2010!

I am not a vegan but I think it's pretty damn cool that Tesla offers a vegan car. Now they just need to add more support to the sides so you dont slide out of the seat lmao.

pylt | September 8, 2013

SRPumps wrote:

I am also vegan and ordered mine with the textile. However, there was no need to special order a vegan steering wheel because under the Specs page on this web site the wheel is described as,

"Hand wrapped microfiber and synthetic leather interior surfaces in black"

Is the steering wheel not an interior surface?

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Perhaps they've changed the spec to make them all vegan, but I don't think that's the case (although I wish it was!) as the steering wheel texture is/was different on our service loaner.

By "interior surfaces" I think they're just referring to seating surfaces and the like.

I've just checked the Design Center Specs page and it's still as you reported. My best guess is that it's still a leather steering wheel, but again, that's just a guess.

http://www.teslamotors.com/models/specs

Since it costs nothing to ask for it, I'd still spec it/confirm it with an email to Customer Service as soon as you place your order.

I'll swing by the Dania Beach service center and see if they know tomorrow.

pylt | September 12, 2013

dborn wrote:

Examination of human teeth shows a blend of features typical of ruminant animals as well as those of carnivores. Conclusion, we are designed to eat an omnivorous diet. We also do NOT possess the appropriate enzymes to digest cellulose.
Conclusion- feed the man meat ( and vegetables) with a free conscience!!

*************************

Actually, dbron, you are incorrect, but this is a very common misconception.

Please review Dr. Milton Mills (Stanford Med Grad) "Comparative Anatomy of Eating" below for details, but, suffice to say, his thorough analysis of the entire human body will explain why we are designed to be vegan.

Eating otherwise suggests an explanation for why Big Pharma, Big Medicine and Big Ag are doing so very well in the US . . .

http://www.vegsource.com/news/2009/11/the-comparative-anatomy-of-eating....

or

http://www.adaptt.org/Mills%20The%20Comparative%20Anatomy%20of%20Eating1...

And for laughs, please review Bill Maher's commentary as it's right on the money:

www.tinyurl.com/forksover

Malkialaini | May 18, 2014

As a vegan or an Eco conscience person, I'm not found of the leather either. Many Eco conscience people aren't. Some of these people still like luxury and given a cloth option isn't ideal either. Most cloths used in cars aren't Eco friendly, let's face it. BMW i3 has an option that has seats made from recycled materials and bamboo wood. The Prius is made up of a synthetic (faux) leather material called SofTex. Either are great options for vegans, animal friendly vegs, or Eco conscience individuals.

Isn't the point of an electric vehicle to be Eco conscience or are Telsa owners only driving this vehicle as a fad statement? I myself would loved to own one, but will sacrifice the long milage if it means having leather parts in my car.

Signed,

Lincoln MKZ owner over to a Prius Plug-In

jordanrichard | May 18, 2014

One can not place 1 term or reason for buying a Tesla, on all owners. I bought mine for multiple reasons. I don't consider myself an environmentalist, but I don't believe in waste like throw plastic and paper/cardboard in a plastic bag and putting it in a landfill. My main drive to buy the car was the incredible performance, the cargo utility, and the fact that it doesn't use gas.

On the subject of leather, which I love it is incorrect to say that animals are simply killed for their hides. I am not talking about fur for coats, that is a whole other issue. Most leather is cow hide which came from cows that were slaughtered for meat. If one opposes meat, then I can understand their aversion to the leather that is a byproduct of that.

AmpedRealtor | May 18, 2014

Cows are not killed for their hides, they are killed for meat. Leather is a byproduct, not the main event. I don't understand why Vegans would be against leather, which is a product that is not directly responsible for killing animals. If all of the world's demand for leather disappeared overnight, we would still be slaughtering billions of cows. So without demand for leather, those hides would go where? At least that byproduct is used to create items of value and is a source of employment for many.

Talk about extremes. I was vegan for a year and was shamed by other vegans for eating honey. HONEY! Apparently, by buying and eating honey, we are promoting the abuse of bees. When someone actually tried to use that one against me - someone who hadn't eaten any meat or dairy for a year and whose grandfather was a life long beekeeper who treasured his bees as much as his own family - I decided the veganism was less about making healthy choices and more about subscribing to a cult mentality.

I have a Tesla Model S because it is the best overall EV package. Not buying a car because it does not offer a Vegan friendly interior option is yet another example of extremism, in my opinion. This car offers so many other benefits, not to mention supporting a company that is doing so much good by employing so many people domestically, building cars in California where they have abide by stricter environmental guidelines, and changing the entire auto buying paradigm. We all vote with our wallets, but voting for a Prius or i3 because of non-leather interior options is being a single issue voter. You are ignoring everything else, which combines into a far more compelling package.

Of course we all like what we like, but it seems a little odd to not buy a Model S due to lack of a Vegan interior option when the car, the company, and its employees are doing 100x the good as companies like Toyota, GM and BMW. I also think it's funny that Vegans won't eat honey or sit on leather, but they have no qualms fueling their cars with the processed remains of animals that died many millions of years ago. They also give very little thought to the death and suffering of animals caused by the extraction and refining of oil.

So to all my Vegan friends, go ahead and buy that Prius because it offers pleather. But you'll have to ignore all the animals that you are consciously killing every time you stop to fill up at a gas station.

LEvans | May 18, 2014

FWIW leather has worked out really well for the cars I have owned. It is very durable and with minimal maintenance about twice a year lasts and ages quite well. I will never by a car without leather seats and good luck trying to sell a used Tesla without leather seats.

Don't want to get into a self righteous discussion here about animal products. The fact is we live in a society that consumes meat. In such circumstances, I'd rather have the leather used than thrown away.

If you don't like leather for whatever reason, I agree you should be able to get a non-leather product. Different products for different people.

PromBay.com | May 19, 2014

@AR +100

Tesla-David | May 19, 2014

+1000 @AR

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