Forums

Dead Animal FREE Upholstery

Dead Animal FREE Upholstery

So far it looks like the seats covers are leather in all the photos. Any chance of a leather-free option for those of us who aren't fond of sitting on dead animal skin? How about the steering wheel?

Hanaan | February 2, 2011

One topic we could discuss here is how sustainable leather is.
From what I understand, it takes a huge amount of water to process and the cows are a huge strain on the environment. If we want a car that supports sustainability, we should aspire to have that sustainability show in every part of the car, not just the energy it consumes.

qwk | February 2, 2011

Cows aren't raised for their hides, It's just a byproduct that otherwise would go to waste.

Kallisman | February 2, 2011

I agree that cows are not very environmentally friendly, but cows would be raised for the meat anyway. Actually it's not the cows fault, but the bacteria in their stomachs that make methane gas.
Pretty much all parts of a modern car, and almost all other industry products, takes a lot of energy to make. Water used for processing leather can be cleaned and reused. Making fabrics also spend energy and water. How much depend on the type of fabric.

Timo | February 2, 2011

Cows are strain for the environment. At least these modern cows that require...d*mn vocabulary...not wilderness and grown food. It practically doubles the food production need, you first grow food for the cows then crow those cows to eat them. The amount of grown food / cow is much larger than what human would require.

But OTOH so are cats, dogs, horses, anything we keep as pets that are not in the natural cycle of life (including ourselves).

Water is renewable source, but clean water is not available everywhere, also cleaning water in drinkable condition requires some resources. Places where water is plentiful it doesn't matter much, but there are places where water is real problem. Places like Las Vegas which is in the middle of desert excess water use is just stupid. You can't repair damage done to nature just by money, it requires also resources which might not be available.

clea | February 3, 2011

not to mention the methane that is produced by them.

http://animals.howstuffworks.com/mammals/methane-cow.htm

searcher | February 3, 2011

Sorry dsm363 but I couldn't stay out of this one. I was wondering if any of you others had experienced the rural life. I was born and raised for the most part in smalltown, but have lived the rural life where I plowed with a mule{can still hitch him up if I had to} milked cows by hand, fed chickens, and pigs. Did the back breaking hoeing out weeds and thinning corn,etc. Didn't have to do all this I think my dad wanted us just to have this experience as he had. It was wonderful looking back. Waste by products of animals was wonderful fertilizer for producing garden. So as someone said just all part of the cycle of life. Seemed we were in a natural flow environmentally as I look back. Of course spent lot of time in woods fighting woods fires, lot of smoke contamination and fire damage causing vulnerability to disease in the trees, but most time wonderful blueberry crops where there had been forest fires. Alabama now selling more hardwood than ever before because fires kept out of woods which used to be ritual to keep boll wevils out of cotton crops. No cotton in that particular area now much just most forest prducts and poultry. All just to say for all minuses in nature there are pluses and for all pluses there are minuses so it all just balances out pretty good. Oh less some may not think I have experienced all I spent most of my work career in very large urban area. So i feel that I have somewhat lived in all three major environments. So how does this relate to Tesla cars, think they are wonderful as they roll through our environment disturbing it not very much, very clean and pristine, this is special. Let us not be deterred and keep going in this direction. One question though what about their by product the used up batteries, what kind of environmental impact will they make, how will they be processed? Well did finally manage to come up with something relative maybe to EV's I hope.

searcher | February 3, 2011

Thamks chargeme,glad to hear about the batteries. Don't worry we were not the ones that started drift off topic,but now will get back to upholstery. You know I have a thick vinyl coat that looks so similar to leather and I have had it for years, no cracking or tears, no special treatment, cleanable. We had a living room chair once that had been reupholstered in a thick high quality vinyl that was equally as tough and durable but of course some of the thinner vinyls have not been as durable, so thickness seems to be an important thing with vinyl of course sewed with the very higest quality material that can be found would be a definite critical. I actually like vinyl, with maybe some readily availabe repair kits that actually work in reference to burns etc. Vinyl works good with heated seats as I have had this combination in some of my Volvos, relatively cool in summer to me also. What about the overhead covering, wonder what it will be. I like vinyl here to but sewed where sections don't sag.

searcher | February 4, 2011

Speaking of overhead cabin covering of course.

Timo | February 4, 2011

More like dead fish. AFAIK oil is mostly product of sea bacteria converting marine life to hydrocarbons of various types which then much later get changed to oil when pressure etc. are correct.

(useless fact: no dinosaur were marine animals, only land and flying ones ever existed, and those flying ones we call birds. hmmm...maybe you could call penguins marine dinosaurs).

searcher | February 5, 2011

I am not "nasty nice". As long as all the creatures are dead no problem to me. Remember I even liked leather option because I think beautiful leather is nice. Doesn't mean I don't see the nobility in animals. Which is why I no longer hunt, but of course am not a vegen, as stated before sounds somewhat hypocritical I guess. Have been hinting for some deer meat from relatives, all to no avail, guess they think I don't hunt it I don't eat it. By the way if we are going to get "techni" bet theres something on your desks righ now made of plastic, which is made from what? which is made from what?

Volker.Berlin | November 13, 2011

If the copious use of animal hide makes your inner environmentalist flinch, take comfort in the fact that cloth will be available, and the wood-like dash trim of the Signature Series actually is pressed banana leaf taken from the forest floor after it has already fallen.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2012-tesla-model-s-first-ride-reviews

(Just in case you haven't heard it before.)

Ben Perlin | November 13, 2011

I want leather, on the seats, the dash, the door liners. It needs to compete with high end cars, not just to econutjobs, but to people like me who are interested in the acceleration, ride and steering feel

Thumper | November 13, 2011

Ben, I too will probably get the leather, however others may have different priorities and tastes than you and I. This does not make them nutjobs. I am just guessing but you may want them to respect your choices, let's reciprocate.

Peak Oil bruin | November 13, 2011

Thanks, Thumper
count me in the vegetarian camp, get plenty of proteins, soy, wheat, legumes and would prefer an alternative to cowhides.
Tesla is a 21st cent.groundbreaking company and leather car interiors were first introduced in the 1960s by Cadillac?

from Forbes 11-9-11 3 most dangerous foods >>>>
hot dogs, bacon, and ham. The evidence linking them to cancer – especially colorectal cancer – is so strong that health authorities are starting to say that we should never eat them at all, and never feed them to children.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltobias/2011/11/09/occupy-your-diet-a-...

Mycroft | November 13, 2011

mmmmmm bacon!

Brant | November 13, 2011

The only complete protein is animal protein.

Brian H | November 13, 2011

Brant;
the more similar to long pig, the better!
Nutjobs have enfeebled judgment due to B12 deficiency.
>;-p

sarge7359 | November 13, 2011

I keep reading the title and figuring equivalency: bring a dead animal, get free upholstery. Or maybe the beginning of a poem...

Dead Animal
Free Upholstery
...
...

Tho it is amusing to see Brian H sometimes catch something with his trolling.

----

On topic though, I just want low maintenance. Leather or leather-like, as long as I don't need to fiddle with the upholstery to keep it in shape then I'll be happy. The whole leather parts where 'it puts the lotion on to keep the seating supple' annoys me.

JeremyZ | November 15, 2011

I'm pretty interested in getting a Model S, but I won't buy one unless I can get a completely leather free one. It seems reasonable for Tesla to offer a version with Alcantara. I much prefer 1970's technology to stone age technology. If they want to move beyond 1970's fabric technology, that would be even better.

EdG | November 15, 2011

I'm of the opinion that cars are generally a "guy thing" due to social memory from the hunting/gathering days. Anything good for getting to the hunt and performing it well is macho. Perhaps the penchant for leather seating is part of the social memory, too?

Ramon123 | November 15, 2011

You'd rather sit on a live animal skin? Personally I prefer
organic and natural animal skin over artificial vinyl
seat covers.

BYT | November 16, 2011

I've ridden a horse, that's live animal skin. Aside from the saddle crotch it's not so bad.

David M. | November 16, 2011

Leather please. Prefer the saddle color, which I did not see on the sample board.

Don't get me wrong, I love animals, particularly pets, but it's not like we are hunting ivory tusks here. Humans have used cattle skins for many centuries. Cattle is not an endangered species.

If I think about it too long though, I might stop eating steak.
Nah.

For what we are paying, I would expect leather to come standard. If someone wants to pay an up-charge for non-leather, no problem with me.

Mycroft | November 16, 2011

David, I hope you won't be disappointed, but my understanding is that leather will be a premium upgrade to the base models.

David M. | November 16, 2011

@Mycroft - if you are correct, then Tesla is NOT competing with BMW and Mercedes like they think they are with a luxury sedan in the $60K to $70K price range, because most luxury car companies understand that a base luxury car comes with a lot of luxury (including leather).

Years ago, GM and others used to nickel and dime their customers with a laundry list of options. You could pay $30K for the base car, or $50K with enough options that would actually make the car a luxury vehicle. But the Japanese automakers started packaging the options in the 70s, and made them affordable, while cutting their production line costs.

So, how is it then that a base $57K Model S is a luxury vehicle without:
- Leather
- Premium Audio
- Sunroof
- Performance wheels
- etc, etc.

gjunky | November 19, 2011

@David M: I agree. There are a number of items I expect to see standard on a luxury car. I know the final standard option list is not set (at least not shared with us yet) but reading this forum it sounds like Tesla is going to nickel and dime us to death.

I expect everything to be premium on this car. That doesn't mean there won't be room for options but Leather, a premium Audio system and alloy wheels (to name a few) should be standard on a car in this class.

brianman | November 19, 2011

@gjunky
"this forum it sounds like Tesla is going to nickel and dime us to death"
Forum junkies sometimes mix fact with theories. I'd wait until at least a few more options in Design Studio are revealed before stocking up on aspirin.

Mycroft | November 19, 2011

I think the base audio will be premium compared to a $30,000 sedan. And the base wheels will be alloy. However, according to the website, "Model S comes standard with 60% recycled seating surfaces."

Volker.Berlin | November 19, 2011

I know the final standard option list is not set (at least not shared with us yet) but reading this forum it sounds like Tesla is going to nickel and dime us to death. (gjunky)

That sound like to opposite:

On Facebook just after the factory open house, a tesla representative responded that their is not a cost difference for the 3 different roof options. I had mentioned to someone in the post that the panoramic roof was an option and the tesla rep replyed that their was no cost difference between the 3. (Capt601)
http://www.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/black-painted-roof-vs-body-color...

My bottom line: We simply don't know until it's made official.

Volker.Berlin | November 19, 2011

"That sounds like the opposite" -- where's that edit feature?!

jackhub | November 20, 2011

Yesterday, a rep at the Santana Row store told a prospective buyer that all Model S wil have leather seats.

Volker.Berlin | December 21, 2011

Leather-free upholstery will be available, albeit not for Signature or Performance models. For "P" models, you can choose microfiber upholstery and even save a $1500 over the leather option. As it stands, however, it seems that you cannot have heated seats without leather. Doesn't make sense to me, but that's what I understand from this page:
http://www.teslamotors.com/models/options

David70 | December 21, 2011

Volker,
That's how interpreted it as well.

I guess I can live without heated seats, as I expect to be in California during the coldest months.

Volker.Berlin | December 21, 2011

I guess I can live without heated seats, as I expect to be in California during the coldest months.

I'd love to be able to say the same... :-)

Mycroft | December 21, 2011

You mean to say that it gets cold in Berlin? ;)

Volker.Berlin | December 21, 2011

You got me. No, Berlin is not seriously cold, but the weather can be pretty nasty. I prefer to drive without a coat, a scarf and gloves, if possible... ;-)

Robert.Boston | December 22, 2011

Agreed; I wish Tesla had made leather seats a $1,000 option and a winter package a $500 option. I'd be happy to keep the microfiber if I could heat them. Oh, and add heated steering wheel to the package, though I guess the ability to pre-heat the car remotely will help there.

Leofingal | December 22, 2011

By the way, what are the 12 ways of adjustability in these seats?

dborn @nsw.au | December 23, 2011

I wonder whether heating synthetic fibre does not carry a risk of fire and or release of toxic chemical risk, and whether this is the reason they are not heated....

jsanok | December 24, 2011

test

pylt | March 12, 2013

I find it quite amazing that so many of the otherwise intelligent readers on this forum would be so ill-informed regarding the ethical, moral, and environmental implications of eating animals and, by extension, leather interiors.

I am a few days away from cancelling my Model S reservation, mostly due to Tesla's punishment for those of us wishing to take the "moral high road."

Here's the text of an email I sent in reply to Tesla advising me that one cannot have memory seats, etc., if one doesn't have the brains of several cows blown out:

***************
Sadly, as a vegan I cannot accept being penalized by Tesla Motors (again) for choosing a reduced-cruelty interior. By way of background, I have purchased five (yes, that's "5") BMW 3 Series over the past 13 years because they were available WITHOUT a leather interior, among other reasons. BMW, for the most part, does not penalize customers for choosing the leatherETTE (their standard, non-leather interior) by limiting the buyer's other options. Tesla Motors, however, seems to insist on it.

Given the fact that you at Tesla are forging a new, fresh path, I find it amazing and depressing that Tesla chooses to "punish" customers that take the higher moral road.

May I please ask a favor of you? Please forward this email widely within Tesla.

Let me be frank--as a TSLA stock holder and an environmentalist, I want you to succeed. Tesla Motors is doing incredibly important work. In my case, given my family proclivity toward buying BMW's 3 Series, I'd love to retry with the Tesla Motors "Gen III" in a few years, hopefully to replace both of our 2011 BMW 335i's. BUT: I'd like the same seat memory (and interior trim choices, performance options, etc.) that those ignorant (or just plain cruel?) buyers do. (Just in case you aren't aware, Model S buyers that select the leather interior cause five or six cows to be murdered so that they can sit on their toxically treated skins. For details on how leather is "produced" I encourage you to visit www.Meat.org. Leather isn't a "by product"--it's a source of additional profit for those that murder sentient beings for money. For heaven's sake, you're in California--you should "get it." But I guess someone missed the memo on "How not to be cruel" and now you've lost a sale.)

You can do better; let's hope you can influence Tesla's decision makers to make this happen for the Gen III.

Please feel free to contact me if you would like additional information, but in the interim I'd like a refund of my $5k deposit sometime after March 8th. (That's my supposed deadline for locking in my Model S order at 2012 prices; there's a 1% chance I might change my mind and just go with the limited options forced by taking the moral high ground.)

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Mark Peters
RN319083

p.s. I haven't even touched on the massive global warming impact that cows produce, but surely your executives know this as well?

pylt | March 12, 2013

Re-attempt--doesn't appear to work when "submit" is pressed as it's gone to a blank page . . . .

I find it quite amazing that so many of the otherwise intelligent readers on this forum would be so ill-informed regarding the ethical, moral, and environmental implications of eating animals and, by extension, leather interiors.

I am a few days away from cancelling my Model S reservation, mostly due to Tesla's punishment for those of us wishing to take the "moral high road."

Here's the text of an email I sent in reply to Tesla advising me that one cannot have memory seats, etc., if one doesn't have the brains of several cows blown out:

***************
Sadly, as a vegan I cannot accept being penalized by Tesla Motors (again) for choosing a reduced-cruelty interior. By way of background, I have purchased five (yes, that's "5") BMW 3 Series over the past 13 years because they were available WITHOUT a leather interior, among other reasons. BMW, for the most part, does not penalize customers for choosing the leatherETTE (their standard, non-leather interior) by limiting the buyer's other options. Tesla Motors, however, seems to insist on it.

Given the fact that you at Tesla are forging a new, fresh path, I find it amazing and depressing that Tesla chooses to "punish" customers that take the higher moral road.

May I please ask a favor of you? Please forward this email widely within Tesla.

Let me be frank--as a TSLA stock holder and an environmentalist, I want you to succeed. Tesla Motors is doing incredibly important work. In my case, given my family proclivity toward buying BMW's 3 Series, I'd love to retry with the Tesla Motors "Gen III" in a few years, hopefully to replace both of our 2011 BMW 335i's. BUT: I'd like the same seat memory (and interior trim choices, performance options, etc.) that those ignorant (or just plain cruel?) buyers do. (Just in case you aren't aware, Model S buyers that select the leather interior cause five or six cows to be murdered so that they can sit on their toxically treated skins. For details on how leather is "produced" I encourage you to visit www.Meat.org. Leather isn't a "by product"--it's a source of additional profit for those that murder sentient beings for money. For heaven's sake, you're in California--you should "get it." But I guess someone missed the memo on "How not to be cruel" and now you've lost a sale.)

You can do better; let's hope you can influence Tesla's decision makers to make this happen for the Gen III.

Please feel free to contact me if you would like additional information, but in the interim I'd like a refund of my $5k deposit sometime after March 8th. (That's my supposed deadline for locking in my Model S order at 2012 prices; there's a 1% chance I might change my mind and just go with the limited options forced by taking the moral high ground.)

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Mark Peters
RN319083

p.s. I haven't even touched on the massive global warming impact that cows produce, but surely your executives know this as well?

Brian H | March 12, 2013

Duplicate post. Hover pointer over logo, Edit, move to "None Selected".

GeirT | March 12, 2013

@ pylt

Are you kidding?
Seriously, you did not know of the leather seats and suddenly now you need to make a big stink?
Amazing!

shs | March 12, 2013

The fact is that the textile seats supplied for cars with the new pricing DO have memory, are heated, etc. The dilemma for me was that it seemed kind of much to pay $2500 for those features, but that is an option if you want textile seats with memory. What I was also concerned about that without the memory seats, one also lost the whole driver profile feature, which is a shame that hopefully future software releases will fix.

Pages