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Bring back the MS 40 Plz TESLA

Bring back the MS 40 Plz TESLA

I have the 85 but need a 40 for a second car

church70 | September 17, 2013

Any1 have a ms40 4SALE ?

Brian H | September 17, 2013

Not 2DA.

Chuck Lusin | September 17, 2013

The 40's rock for sure!

2kids10horses | September 17, 2013

Good luck with that!

I think Tesla lost money on the 40s. They use the same battery as the 60, but they reduce it via software. So Tesla had the same cost as producing a 60, but a lot less revenue.

You may be able to find a "preowned" one.

Gizmotoy | September 17, 2013

@2kids10horses: Not initially they didn't. They decided they no longer wanted to produce the 40kwh batteries effective immediately when customers still had orders in for them. In order to resolve that, they decided to give those customers with outstanding orders 60kwh models limited to 40 via software. So there are few plain 40s and a few 40/60s out there.

PaceyWhitter | September 17, 2013

No, 2kids is right

They never made any true 40's, they kept delaying them and then cancelled them, selling the software limited 60's to the people with outstanding orders.

mrspaghetti | September 17, 2013

@gizmo

Are you sure about that? If there really are some actual 40s they will be real collectors items some day.

Brian H | September 17, 2013

No, the cells were never made, even, AFAIK. Much less the full packs.

church70 | September 17, 2013

@mrspaghetti thx for the info

Mathew98 | September 18, 2013

@church70 - Perhaps you should get in touch with @HenryT2 to purchase his S40 so he can get his P85.

What would you do without another Telsa swap meet?

eAdopter | September 18, 2013

@Chuck Lusin +1

Although there may be a few, I think finding a 40 owner who's unhappy with range will be rare.

My 40 takes me everywhere I want to go. I'm driving it 50% more than the 12k miles/year originally planned and still no range issues.

With the 4.5 software upgrade, I'm getting 140 miles of actual range - nice.

eAdopter | September 18, 2013

@Church70
Where are you located? HenryT2 may be open to the idea. He lives a few blocks from me and his red 40 is gorgeous! Having a 40 includes the option for a 60 upgrade, so maybe he'll just keep it. It's worth asking.

carlk | September 18, 2013

They can't bring it back since there were never one made.

church70 | September 18, 2013

toronto,ont,ca

It was the 40 that got me to buy the 85 So the 40 is good for tesla

eAdopter | September 18, 2013

Toronto? Oh! That's a bit of a drive - only 36 non-stop hours to the Seattle area. Probably too far, eh?

church70 | September 18, 2013

LOL maybe

church70 | September 18, 2013

But thx eAdopter for the info

ualdriver | September 19, 2013

Here's another MS40 for sale....but the price is crazy high...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Tesla-Model-S-40kWh-Upgradable-to-60kWh-S...

HenryT2 | September 19, 2013

That guy is selling his MS40 for $76K??? I'll take $70K for mine! Hell, I'd take $60K. Who would pay $76K?

But I've decided I'm not going to sell (unless someone offers me more than I'd pay for a new 60 - again, what was that guy smoking?)

church70 | September 23, 2013

Got me a 2012 SL leaf today 6000 km for 20k for a second car not bad No more gas cars for me : )

church70 | October 10, 2013

The Leaf 1500 km later not a bad car for the $ but a MS 40 would be the best second car for me BRING BACK THE MS 40 PLZ TESLA
but still No more gas cars for me : ) love it

Objective1 | October 10, 2013

There were never enough 40 orders. If you want the 40 to be created (and created is the word, since a downrated 60 is a losing proposition for Tesla Motors) maybe you should start a pledge drive or create a trustworthy escrow account to hold deposits. Show TM 15,000 committed buyers, and it might make sense for them. Otherwise, forget about it.

Longhorn92 | October 11, 2013

I think, if Tesla gave it more time, there would have been a bunch more 40 kWh orders; however, they made the decision to nix it while the Model S was still relatively untested and unknown to the general public... before Tesla was profitable, before the Consumer Reports 99 rating, before crash test ratings were released.

These are things that many folks like to see before deciding on purchasing a car. It does not surprise me that most of the early adopters chose the 85 kWh or 60 kWh battery packs: I bet most (definitely not all) were not really stretching to buy this car, plus most early adopters seemed to be focused on the long-distance aspect of the car (road trips, superchargers, etc). I think the 40 kWh cars would have been very popular with the more conservative car-buying public (i.e. non-early adopters), many of whom probably have a second car and don't need the road trip EV (yet).

That being said, here are two reasons why the 40 kWh may not have made sense for Tesla even if they did have more reservations:
1. Since they are still production-constrained, it makes sense to produce as many of the more profitable cars as possible, so if you can completely fill production with 60s and 85s, then there is no reason to produce 40s. This obviously changes if/when they ever become demand-contrained, but I imagine by then, they could possibly have a 40 kWh (or maybe have a 60 that costs as much as the original 40).
2. Elon has mentioned that the 40 kWh prototypes just weren't good. I don't know exactly what this means, but maybe it simply didn't meet his personal performance requirements that he wants in a premium sedan. In any case, he didn't like it, and he's the boss. He might have had a different view if not for #1.

church70 | October 11, 2013

+1 Longhorn92 ic that now thx to you

darreny | October 11, 2013

Tesla should do 60 downgrade where they turn a 60 to a 40 and give you back money :)

Longhorn92 | October 11, 2013

BTW, I love my 40, and am so glad I was an early adopter and able to get this phenomenal car at an "affordable" price.

Bradtc | October 11, 2013

Since they are at a really high production rate without the 40, I don't expect it will be back any time soon - there is no need. However, if the 60 and 85 demand decreases significantly, I would bet that the 40 would come back as originally intended (not software limited, but a true 40 pack)so as to bring the factory back up to capacity. All my personal opinion of course..

Brian H | October 11, 2013

Buy a used 60 after about 300,000 miles. ;)

carlk | October 11, 2013

Not going to happen. At least not until Tesla could make more cars than they can sell.

thranx | October 11, 2013

@carlk; +1

@Bradtc; factory's gonna be busy building the model X, too.

robgoodin | October 14, 2013

Loving my 40. Quick charge and never had need to go more than 150 miles in one shot.

Chuck Lusin | October 14, 2013

The 50K starting price allowed me to get both of our 40’s, otherwise, I would have never been able to get one!

Lot’s of orders for the 40 which to so long to produce, many orders where upgraded to 60.

eAdopter, Longhorn92, and all of us 40’s +40!

Chuck Lusin | October 14, 2013

I see that the ebay listing ended, if a 50K car new can sell used for 76K, that is great. I'm glad that mine, is worth 50% more than when I purchased it!

hingisfan | October 15, 2013

They won't bring back the 40....they wouldn't want a fully loaded Model E to be anywhere close in price to a base Model S. Need to keep these two vehicles at completely separate price points.

trivono | October 15, 2013

I have had my 40kw car for about 5 months now. Started with 142 miles range and now I am down to 133 with full charge. In talking with service center people, they say that it's normal range loss and is expected. What kind of range loss other 40 owners are seeing?

RanjitC | October 15, 2013

Guys Protect your 40's. So few were made that they will be collectors items for sure.

Mark K | October 15, 2013

Trivono - My wife's 40 showed similar numbers, but that's not actual range loss. For example, after a deep discharge down to 10-20 miles left, it charged back up to 140.

I think this is because TM is revising the range estimation algorithm, and that's altering the projected range calculation.

Particularly because the 40 is limited to a max of 72% charge, it's hard to imagine a 5% actual loss in 5 months.

It's the software revision - the algorithm is a work in progress.

Your range should hold up very well over the years.

foxwiz | October 16, 2013

They have plenty of 40 kWh "Teslas" here

http://www.toyota.com/rav4ev/?srchid=google|SUV%2FVan_RAV4_EV|#!/Welcome

It's the 40kWh battery, drivetrain, and motor wrapped in a Toyota body. I have one and love it.

Longhorn92 | October 16, 2013

@trivono: when my "40" was delivered five months ago, I was getting about 144 rated miles on a full charge. Currently, if the car is discharged a bit (maybe less than 120 rated miles remaining), I get about 139-140 right when the car stops charging. However, if I start charging with more miles (e.g. 130), then it tends to stop charging a little earlier, and I might only get to 137-138 rated miles. This quickly goes down to low-130s after a bit of vampire drain (and before it tops off again).

CincyDriver | November 23, 2013

I agree with the title of the thread... but for slightly different reasons.

Rumors are that battery availability is currently limiting MS production... so it seems to make sense to me to restart production of the 40s to stretch the avialable batteries (assuming you can make two 40s with the cells required for one 85)? I am assuming that all the engineering work is complete for the 'real' 40 MS.

Once cell supply issues are resolved, TM can go back to the mix that the market demands. In the mean time they can definitively answer the pundits that are using lower MS production figures to claim low demand for "impractical EVs".

logicalthinker | November 23, 2013

the HUGE drawback of the 40's, and to me it was HUGE, was lack of supercharging capability. TO me, the SC network is one of the major points that distinguishes the S from any other EV (setting aside range, etc).

So no, I would NOT buy a 40.

Brian H | November 23, 2013

Elon just thinks they don't measure up, and won't make them.

Brian H | November 23, 2013

The ones on the road are not true 40s as originally envisaged, but crip 60s. Different battery.

carlk | November 23, 2013

Yes Tesla has never made or delivered a true 40 kWh model. They did not think it's worth it for them to invest a lot of money and time to finish developing and testing the model. The same reason is still valid now.