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New York Times Article - And My response

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/10/automobiles/stalled-on-the-ev-highway....

John - I assume you did the research, or perhaps someone at Tesla told you, that when you go for an extended trip you you do a max charge - that would have given you 265+ miles of rated range. When you go on a road trip in your gas car do you put 12 gallons in a 14 gallon tank?

If I go somewhere in my gas car, spend $8 to get 2 gallons and 60 miles of range, but needed 3 gallons to go 90 miles and get there, and run out of gas, shame on me. Plug in overnight, always. It's EASY.

Here's the equivalent - you get gas when you need to. You plug in every night when you get to your destination. There are more outlets in America than gas pumps - probably at least 1 million times more. Every outlet in America is a refilling station. Come on!

Why didn't you point out the basics that you failed on? If you ran out of gas would you blame Ford for not telling you the car's MPG, or Exxon for not having a station when you needed it?

Driving an electric car is NOT less convenient, it just asks you to think differently. Takes effort, just like a gas car requires effort. If you start simple-mindedly with the gas paradigm as the baseline, you have made a basic mistake. Would get on a bike and write a negative article because you couldn't make it go 65 MPH? Please make the effort next time and acknowledge when you don't.

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bsimoes | February 8, 2013

Nice!

tesla-ss | February 8, 2013

@Cattledog: +1!

Kleist | February 8, 2013

there are a couple of times I ran out of gas... because I forgot to use my brain.

nav66 | February 8, 2013

+1

Say it, brother!

sayidreddy | February 8, 2013

This was kind of painful read for me. I knew it was going to happen sooner or later with someone who does know the specifics of the Tesla Model S. The Tesla people he spoke to before he started the road trip should have warned him adequately of the degradation in range during winter conditions. At the very least, he should have been told (since he is new to the car) to at least do a range charge on the car both times and used cruise control as much as possible. While I agree that people have to start thinking differently amount electric cars, Tesla has to be proactive in making its customeers aware of "vampire load loss" and improve its range estimate in all types of driving conditions, taking into account elevation and weather if possible.

GoTeslaChicago | February 8, 2013

I feel for the reporter.

I made a round trip from Chicago to Milwaukee and back, a distance of 211 miles.
Despite range charging and heating the car while still plugged in before leaving, and charging on 110 volts for 6 hours while I was there, I barely made it back. I drove normally on the way there, but on the way back I kept cutting the speed as I was monitoring my miles. Last half was with cruise control at 53 mph. Arrived home with 7 miles left. There may have been a headwind on the way back, because even with the heat mostly off, and cruise control at 53 I couldn't get my watts per mile down to the rated watts per mile of 307.

Beginning range 269 miles, with 12 miles added by charging equals 281 miles. Therefore 274 miles used to go 211 miles. If I hadn't pre heated the car before leaving and gone slow on the return trip it would have been more like 300 miles rated range to go 211 miles. Therefore in my case, the actual miles were about 70% of rated miles.

The reporter was an innocent babe in regards to the range estimation game. I think we shouldn't be too critical. Of course we hate bad publicity for the Model S, but others reading the article may learn from his mistakes and avoid getting stranded themselves. In that case it could be long term positive.

However, the advice he got from corporate was probably from someone sitting in a warm office in California, who probably doesn't own a Model S, let alone have experience with the range issues of cold weather and a possible headwind. Better advice could have avoided all this. For example, in cold weather better allow for a 30 to 40% range reduction and allow a sizable safety margin if the car is parked outside in the cold between segments of the trip.

Voice of experience speaking.

anthonytesla | February 8, 2013

I have driven a Leaf for the past 18 months and recently got the wife the Model S. In my Leaf, I have learned/noticed that when I drive somewhere, I drive as cautious as possible to conserve as much battery as possible. When I start for home and I've got "range" left, I drive like a normal nut on the So Cal roadways.

I also equate driving an EV like riding a horse. You really need to understand and learn them before you simply hop on and pretend you're John Wayne.

Sudre_ | February 8, 2013

I just read that in 2009 70% of disabled vehicles on CA highways were because they ran out of gas. Do you really think people are not going to run out of charge?

I have mentioned before that a 500 mile battery would be a much better road trip car. Couple more years and things will be much better.

Cattledog | February 8, 2013

sayidreddy - I assume you mean my response, not the reporter's article. The problem with the article is he directed all the blame to Tesla. I guess we shouldn't expect more from someone in the 21st century, we have all almost perfected the art of transferring blame. He could have paired things up to write a balanced article, like, "I wish Tesla would have..., but I should have...".

Or was it an Op-ed piece and he's allowed to just present hi opnion?

If he expects more from Tesla, I guess I expect more from a reporter from the New York Times (actually...)

GoTeslaChicago - Point taken, you looked ahead, acted responsibly. Is that too much to ask of a reporter DOING A TEST DRIVE ON A TOTALLY NEW TYPE OF CAR? Tesla can definitely do better - he pointed that out. He could have done better - still looking for those points in the article...

Brian H | February 8, 2013

sayid;
you mean "someone who does NOT know..." ?

Kleist;
Would that be your brain forgetting to use itself? ;)

Superliner | February 8, 2013

Heaven forbid he reads the "Owners Manual" to better understand what he was driving. Why would he think he should be able to call Tesla to ask them if he can make it XX miles? I wonder if he calls Ford, GM, or Chrysler, or (insert ICE Manufacturer here) to ask them if he has enough gas to make it to Boston from NY City or ?? to ??.

Unfortunately this is probably only the tip of the iceberg where negative spin is concerned.

That IDIOT writer needs to GET REAL! Driving ANY type of vehicle requires engagement of ones brain.

Pungoteague_Dave | February 8, 2013

I have also learned the hard way that estimated ranges are wildly optimistic, and will always leave a 30% cushion in trip planning. Unfortunately that means that some of the regular weekly travel that we expected this car to handle are well beyond its real world practical range, and we will have to drive the F-150. Makes me very sad as the biggest element of expected fuel cost savings is now out the window. The car is in charge of us instead of the other way around...

Pungoteague_Dave | February 8, 2013

This article is also VERY bad publicity for TM, will almost certainly affect sales. The reporter's behavior was perfectly reasonable. He made lots of compromises for the car that we never have to make with ICE vehicles. It is good that buyers be forewarned.

GoTeslaChicago | February 8, 2013

Dave,

You sound overly pessimistic. Warm weather driving should give us much better range, unless your experience is already from somewhere warm like California or Florida.

"some of the regular weekly travel that we expected this car to handle are well beyond its real world practical range"

Superchargers to the Rescue!!

StefanT | February 8, 2013

This article was inevitable. The ICE manufacturers have had decades of perfecting complicated mechanism to minimize the neurons required to operate the vehicle. Most of us interested in EVs understand that the paradigm shift requires a mental shift as well. Because of the MS publicity and performance it is starting to attract drivers who don't appreciate this aspect; they will ultimately be disappointed. My impression is that Tesla believes that everyone can naturally adapt to the new mind set, I am not sure everyone will want too. This doesn't mean that I think the EV should require more thinking to drive but the technology needs some time to mature before it is for everyone. BTW a simple app similar to something we have in aircraft may have helped. When low on electrons, all available charging stations in range pop up on the map.

Pungoteague_Dave | February 8, 2013

Chicago,

There will never be a Supercharger within 150 miles of where I live. Google map Pungoteague. And since when should weather enter significantly into how far a car can go? I get the science, but nowhere did the glowing 300 mile or 265 mile range predictions say "except take off 10% from rated range for real world factors, and anther 30% if it is real cold or real hot." I am not being pessimistic. I am being realistic about what a real car sitting in a garage under my feet can do for my family. The practical advisable trip range limit with a max range charge for an 85kw Model S, with a reasonable 30% cushion is 175 miles when new, less as the battery ages. That makes it a lot less practical today and rules out about 100 trips per year to the city that I had expected to make.

Maybe I am guilty of buying a car for driving objectives that are at the far end of its theoretical capability, with theory not meeting reality, but I do need a car that can go 200-220 miles one way twice per week with no compromises. TM reps said this would be no problem, and the media hype machine supported the thesis. Turns out reality is much less, with more compromises than expected. Still a lot of fun to drive for local trips, just can't make it where I need to go without cutting it too close or comfort.

bradslee | February 8, 2013

Using ICE drivers' experience to compare with that of those Tesla MS drivers is like to compare Apple with Orange. ICE cars have been improved over 100 years and gas stations across the country have been established long before anyone can remember. Even though, that ICE drivers today run out of gas on the road is not rare. That being said, if we the Tesla MS owners have patience and have the confidence in Tesla Motors, with Tesla gradually improved technology and SuperChargers across the country in a not very distance future, we will be the ones who have the last laugh.

Superliner | February 8, 2013

There will likely never be a supercharger in my whole state "Arizona"
and no level II public chargers for nearly 150 miles in any direction from my house. The only thing we have going for us is that it usually does not get too cold so range numbers should not see the drop offs associated with colder regions. Will it work?

Any other rural Arizonans out there who are facing a similar issue that already has their S?

Pungoteague_Dave | February 8, 2013

bradslee,

It is very relevant to compare these cars with ICE vehicles. We buy them for the same reasons - convenient transportation - to be servants to our needs, not for us to serve or worry about them. Elon's objective was not just to make a good EV, but to make a great car that can compete with any vehicle. ICE vehicles are the benchmark against which TM is competing, no compromises, level playing field, without mulligans, do-overs, or excuses. The best car, period, for a very high price. We aren't there yet, or even in the ballpark. The 80-year ICE head start excuse is just that, an excuse. We did not sign up for the modern EV equivalent of the Model T's hand crank starting. I can accept a lot of early adopter teething, but do need 220 miles of real world single-trip range every week, no matter how cold or hot. The Model S cannot reasonably meet that test yet (at least where I live) with enough cushion to avoid driver concerns about a long wait for a roll-back lift to a power outlet, and a further wait for the charging process. The NYT article is correct in pointing out that ICE drivers have no such worries.

Alex K | February 8, 2013

@Superliner | FEBRUARY 8, 2013: Any other rural Arizonans out there who are facing a similar issue that already has their S?

Not really rural AZ, since I'm in Tucson. But I was planning on taking the car to our "cabin" in Pinetop. It's a 200mi door-to-door trip with about 4000ft elevation gain. Pinetop weather is more like NY. I can charge at an RV park half way in Globe, so it should be doable.

rickemishler | February 8, 2013

Superliner,

I'm still in the buying stage, so I have no real world experience with the S. My location in metro Phoenix will not present range challenges for day to day use that are certainly a possibility in the rural areas of this state. One of my acquaintances apparently has made the run up hill to Flagstaff then charged at his house there prior to returning to the valley with little difficulty. Given the elevation changes and extreme temperatures in the summer, even the 85kwh battery may not work easily of some areas of AZ.

RM

Tâm | February 8, 2013

It's Motor Trend's 2013 CAR of the Year, NOT electric car of the year.

It's a car and functions better than other cars!

I agree with Sudre that we need to have a longer range capacity battery and faster superchargers(Did I hear that 300 miles / 30 minutes of charge is a next version?)

TikiMan | February 8, 2013

I was driving on an icy road one time many years ago, lost traction, and ended up in a ditch. I clearly remembered that the expensive high-quality winter peformance tires I had put on my car for that winter, said it clearly in the advertisments that these tires would keep a good grip in sleet, snow, and ICE!

I was once driving a VERY expensive Austin Martin DB9, and came upon a steep driveway. Being I asumed that an Austin Martin DB9 should be one of the BEST exotic autos ever built, and that the engineers would have thought of steep driveways as part of any typical driving experence. However, guess that aluded them, as when I went up the driveway, I scraped and nearly destroyed the front scoop/spoiler!

I guess the lesson I learned is; not everything is perfect for all situations, regardless of the advertisments. Sometimes, you have to take a bit of responsibility to further educate yourself of the limitations of some things, when it comes to abnormal situations, even when you are told "it's the best".

Tâm | February 8, 2013

For the first 6 superchargers in sunny California:

Barstow-Hawthorne=121 miles

Hawthorne-Tejon Ranch=92 miles

Tejon Ranch-Harris Ranch=116 miles

Harris Ranch-Gilory=111 miles

Gilroy-Folsom=164 miles.

For the next 2 locations in wintry East Coast:

Newark, DE-Milford, CT=206 miles.

Come on! Give the reporter a break! No brainer! It's a set up for failure from the start! Why didn't somebody fly him to test drive in sunny California with the furthest distance of 164 miles in between stations where it never experiences snow blizzards between these stations!

Mark Z | February 9, 2013

The Model S navigation could assist by checking the range quality based on the destination, weather and road conditions. Why leave it to chance when the vehicle display could show the recommended speed and if charging was needed in advance of the trip. I agree that more SuperChargers are needed. However, estimates of range based on destination entered by navigation could give the driver the assurance needed even when a SuperCharger is not available.

Mark K | February 9, 2013

Consider this analogy - about how small differences result in a binary outcome:

Let's say you are in a howling snowstorm, chilled to the bone by arctic-blast wind. Now imagine you come upon a cozy fire-lit cabin, that has 2% more oxygen flowing into it than needed to sustain your lungs ... and the fire. This would be so welcome and hospitable a place, you could really grow to love it.

But if it had 2% less? Disaster. As in Dead.

The difference is just 4%, and yet, when it is at the margin, that is everything.

That reporter would have totally gushed over this car if there was just one supercharger at the right waypoint. Cruising silently, gas-less and free, while staying toasty warm inside. But alas, this road trip was just shy of the possible for the network this month.

And for Pungo_Dave, who would argue? His lifestyle requirements are just at the edge of what technology can do today. He has tasted the benefits, and very understandably feels the sting when they are denied to him. Whenever he goes on a long trip, he's gets yanked back to the bad old days, and has to burn money on gas. There is no denying the frustration. Regressing when you have seen the future ... sucks.

But for any dramatic advance of technology, there will always be those cases that are just beyond its current limits.

The lesson for EV buyers is to think wisely about how you will use it. If you live in the worst case scenario - bitter cold weather, frequent long drives, and few charge options ... cut the ideal range in half and be very realistic. If your life demands more than it can do right now, wait.

But if you are on the favorable side of that margin, you are in. As in very much in. All the zeroes flip to ones, and fortune smiles upon you. Gasoline no longer has a chokehold on you, and this machine will change your world. Forget the range anxiety thing, it doesn't apply to you.

For that fortunate (majority) of today's drivers -

This car is a bona fide miracle.

Brian H | February 9, 2013

Mark;
Yes; at the margins, it's possible to "fail". So knowing the limitations at any given time is critical. Those margins and limitations should ease, as more infrastructure gets built out, etc. But there will always be limitations and margins, if you look for them.

Good summary and assessment, best so far. Thanks.

ChasF | February 9, 2013

Agree with @Tam. Given the extreme weather typical for the Northeast, SuperChargers there should be a maximum of 150 mi apart. I don't really know what Tesla was thinking unless they too are caught by surprise by the amount of battery range degradation resulting from the cold. The fact that the additional demands placed on the battery by the cabin heaters is going to always coincide with and compound the external effects doesn't help.
I would expect this won't be the last negative review we hear from the NE this winter.
If it were me, I would scramble to install more Superchargers in these areas IMMEDIATELY!

dstiavnicky | February 9, 2013

It is a different type of car and therefore you have to think differently. Even people in North America who drive diesel cars have to plan differently in many parts... not to mention when we went from horses to cars... it's time for thinking to change and more charging stations will enable that.

My Harley is also meant for long distance cruising, but it's range is only about 200-220 miles when loaded up. Part of what I love about driving any vehicle is the challenge and involvement. I used to have a boring company car and can't tell you how many times I drive to work not remembering anything between my driveway and the company parking lot.

David Trushin | February 9, 2013

Interested readers should refer to http://ech.case.edu/cgi/article.pl?id=FCAT

Good thing the world didn't adopt that technology.

brunob | February 9, 2013

Best solution for the is in app guidance. When you're navigating to a target outside of your range, it should automatically suggest a precise lower speed and or which charging station to stop by at. Currently owners have to do this mental calculation manually (very much like a pilot). Once the calculation is automatic, it will go a long way to prevent problems like this. I think it's a needed step to go beyond the initial enthusiasts to get others to adopt it.

nlightened | February 9, 2013

Hard to fault the reporter. The expectation...nay, promise...was that the Northeast Supercharger network can get you from Point A to Point B, without having to be towed, or to spend overnights charging along the way. (Just as the West Coast one does without issue.) Some people will be basing their purchase decision on this expectation.

I've researched this car a ton, have spent a lot of time on this site and in the forums, and have asked a million questions of Tesla representatives. Until that article, however, I took for granted Tesla had thought this issue out based on all my research, and their claims. Obviously they haven't. I get it's a new company, a new product and new real-world conditions. There will be kinks. So iron this one out pronto, Tesla. Build more Supercharger Stations and don't let this article scare people off the wrong side of the fence.

Grant910 | February 9, 2013

All this writer proved was that they need a supercharger in New Jersey. Then this would have been a nonissue.

That said, it is clear that this is not a car for long-range trips, and the "300 mile" claim needs to disappear (it has started to be replaced on the Tesla website, thankfully). There is nothing wrong with admitting that. The supercharger network mitigates the issue, but ICE cars still have an advantage due to the developed infrastructure of gas stations and the fact that 30 miles of range can be put into the tank in seconds not hours. However, that doesn't argue against the appeal of this amazing vehicle, which is superior to ICE vehicles in any other context.

I love my Model S, and it is everything I hoped for. It is perfect for me 360 days per year. On the other 5, I will use our family ICE car. No big deal.

eichtolu | February 9, 2013

Here is a great response from the MS owner that was able to drive from Portland, Oregon to NYC on the NYT's article. It is a good summary on how all of the problems cited in the article could have been easily avoided. It is also a helpful read for a good summary of road trip planning in a MS.

http://electricroadtrips.com/

GoTeslaChicago | February 9, 2013

eichtolu

+1

bradslee | February 9, 2013

eichtolu,

Good posting. Thanks!

Hogfighter | February 9, 2013

I still think that the whole 'range debate' is hilarious. If you drive very long distances often, then an EV is probably not the right choice for you.

It's similar to the fact that if your business takes you to Hawaii often, then buying a car for the commute probably isn't the right choice either.

I'm continually impressed by the idiocy of my fellow man.

petero | February 9, 2013

Dear Tesla enthusiasts, IMO, the blame for this fiasco lies squarely on TM. Don’t be mad at me or the ignorant Mr. Broder.

Cattledog was right. I wonder if Mr. Broder recharged his cell. phone overnight in Groton? My guess is he did with all his calls to TM. The most significant mistake, TM should have advised Mr. Broder, is it always best to recharge overnight (whether you think you need it or not). Had he recharged his ‘S’ (like his phone) he would have a very different story, no drama, and no frostbite. One minor note, using the heated seats would have kept him ‘toasty’ and consumed less energy than the car’s heated climate control.

There will be more stories like this and TM needs to spend more time explaining the EV realities to ICE Age journalists . TM should have spent a little time with the Mr. Broder to check out his route and advise him where and when to recharge. Ten minutes worth of planning would have saved Mr. Broder and TM a lot of time, frustration, and towing expense. Also, TM should have advised Mr. Broder that cold weather (especially overnight) effects the battery performance and range.

Perhaps in the future, TM will assign a TM ‘travel’ specialist with direct phone contact to assist journalists, to answer questions and avoid problems on their EV adventures. I suspect Mr. Broder had a general TM phone number. Journalists need special handling because the “know almost everything!” ‘Almost’ is the operative word. Negative press will not help TM or EVs. Yes Mr. Broder should have known better but guess what…he didn’t. Auto and non-auto journalists will jump at the opportunity to drive the ‘S’ and they have to better understand the pitfalls of assuming and applying traditional driving gasoline experience.

By the way, I love my ‘S,’ best automobile I have ever owned.

petero | February 9, 2013

Sorry, two last points.

In fairness to Mr. Broder when he parked the ‘S’ at Groton overnight, he ASSUMED the 90 mile range was what he had left – not the 25 mile range he woke up with. That night, he felt he had more than adequate range.

My second point is more for TM’s benefit. The superchargers should be used to supplement nightly charging not in lieu of.

roccosima | February 9, 2013

I agree with petero that this bad press episode falls squarely on TM. This along with TM's handling of other issues and Chigago's range issues are giving me more than second thoughts. I have about a week to decide to finalize or not to avoid the price increase. If I had to decide today I would wait and eat the price increase. It's a great car but not only is it a first year model it's a fledgling company. I think I'll wait and see how this all shakes out before I drop $80k into an experiment.

sthornton | February 9, 2013

I have seen a trend in our discussions about superchargers and the distance between them. Telsa's placement goals will/should include the limitations of the 60 kWh packs (including weather, etc). So the placement of the network needs to be within range for those cars with supercharging equipment. That means 100-120 miles apart. The superchargers currently deployed on the East coast don't yet meet that standard. We need time and more SCs placed close enough together to make longer trips as pleasant as shorter ones where range anxiety doesn't exist.

Waiting for my 85 non-perf to arrive. 5 mile round trip to work. I'm spoiled.

Sudre_ | February 9, 2013

I was driving through North Dakota on my way to the Bad lands in the 90's when I passed a sign that said something along the lines of, "No gas for the next 168 miles". After I read the sign I....
A) passed up the exit and continued driving down the road because there had to be another gas station.
B) Exited and filled the tank until it almost overflowed.

Sequoia & Kings Canyon. You all know the place. There is no gas station inside the park. The website goes in to detail about where to purchase gas. why? Because idiots like this writer do not understand the limits of their cars, gas or electric, and they certainly do not plan anything.

I really wish this moron for a writer would have taken any ICE vehicle for a drive through Death Valley with the same lack of planning as he did this trip. We wouldn't have to read this article. The website for Death Valley clear states, "It is always a good idea to keep a full tank in your vehicle as distances are great". Maybe his next test drive he will drive an EV there and cry there are no charging stations.

Yes DAVE you would expect to be able to drive an EV the same as an ICE... Then why are there no government highways signs telling you which exists have charging station near like there are for gas stations? By default that means there is more planning for an EV than an ICE period.. your argument holds NO water Dave. The cars can only be equal if treated equal and they are not. There are no HUGE billboards sticking 20-50' in the air advertising charging stations along the highways. Any halfwit would realize you are going to have to think a bit because after drive an ICE for years you quickly learn a car does not always get you 300 miles on a tank of gas. If you do not know the car, ICE or EV, you have to plan for at least two seconds. According to Recargo there are charging station all over the East coast. The idiot for a writer just didn't think to stop at any of them. I bet if any of us plan to take a road trip with an ICE and planned to run out of gas we could do it pretty easy.

Still I recall a long topic on this very forum about how far apart Superchargers should be. I think the general consensus was 150 miles.
Tesla got what they deserved in this review even tho it is a little unfair.

village33 | February 9, 2013

This has all been covered in the thread below. There's really no need to debate whether Tesla can make even more information available for someone lazier and/or less informed than the author. The fact is an EV is not an ICE vehicle, just as an ICE vehicle is not an EV. If the author had jumped into an 18 wheeler or onto a boat, horse, etc with an equal degree of self chosen ignorance the results would have been far worse. They're all different and the user is responsible for knowing the strengths and weaknesses of each just as the manufacturer is responsible for making such information available. It is therefore ironic that we discuss this on the manufacturer's website where every item the author did wrong has been covered ad infinitum and could have been easily avoided if the author had done a fraction of his research before jumping in. But alas, what kind of world would it be if users can't blame manufacturers when the user is at fault.

http://www.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/public-debate-road-trip-red-herring

Carefree | February 9, 2013

I would not blame the author. Tesla has some very misleading information still on their website. Just read what it says about losing battery power over night or leaving the car unplugged for multiple days. We all know there are problems with vampire loads and excessive power loss due to extreme climates. When you read the "Tesla marketing material" they really make it sound as if the trip this reporter was taking should have been a non-issue and he should not have been required to worry about additional charges in between the super charger.

The blame falls squarely on Tesla - sorry to say.

ylyubarsky | February 9, 2013

Dear friends! We are in the new world. EV cars are something we never dealt with before. So please use your brain, learn more and more and you won't have problems. Making dozen of mistakes down the road you blame TM for misleading you. You lose miles that you would never lose having enough knowledge. One more time. This is not a car for brainless people, this is the car for smart people. Others can buy Mercedes S550 and enjoy themselves. But if you decided to enter this new world, use your brain and please learn more and more and you'll never regret it.

petero | February 9, 2013

Roccosima. As I mentioned, the ‘S’ is the best, new car I have ever purchased – by a wide margin. It does everything better than my ICEs and is superior in every way save for range and the convenience/time of recharging. Keep in mind the super charging network is just starting to grow. If you are not sure it is best to wait. I decided not to wait, the ‘S’ works for my family, even with the 60kWh battery. The periodic software updates make all the ‘Ss’ current (no pun intended) and I must say the fit and finish of the car amazes me. I have actually come to prefer the very simple-stark interior treatment to other luxury/premium ICE interiors. Good luck.

Sudre. “… idiots like this writer do not understand the limits of their cars, gas or electric…” I may agree with you personally, but Mr. Broder may not be an auto journalist or a car guy and is probably a free lancer on a joy ride. There is very little auto reporting in his article, it is more like a travel-misadventure piece. The Motor Trend gearheads understood EVs and the MS. Yes he is at fault but TM should have foreseen the problems. It is up to TM to protect its’ reputation by saving them (uneducated journalists) from themselves. By the way how was the Bahamas and how many ‘smiles’ have you driven on your 60kWh ‘S?’

fishtank | February 9, 2013

Can't help but think it was a very clever decision to postpone launch in Europe to summer 2013. With horrible weather conditions in the north and no super chargersI could imagine many reviews like this before TM even got off the ramp i Europe.

c.bussert67 | February 9, 2013

Here's a slightly better review, on a sidenote, of the S as it makes its way into mainstream TV!
It was featured on the Anthony Bourdain show as he putts around Seattle. Here's the link...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNSRMsz-au8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

bradslee | February 9, 2013

With all these interesting discussions and responses to the negative NYT article on Model S, we seem to forget what Tesla team said about Tesla: it is NOT a car company but a technology company. We should give Tesla time and trust Tesla team's wisdom to be innovative in bringing us the new technology to change the way of driving we have known almost 100 years. Tesla is in some way like Apple that is no longer viewed as a computer company but an innovative consumer product company.

TikiMan | February 9, 2013

Sad... http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/02/09/boston-boy-dies-carbon-monoxi...

If the boy was in a Tesla, he would have survived.

I guess ALL autos have their pitfalls in cold weather. At least the Tesla won't kill you!

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