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New Post on Forbes' Site, "Will the Chinese Buy a Tesla?"

New Post on Forbes' Site, "Will the Chinese Buy a Tesla?"

Asks a few questions, doesn't take much of a stand. Let me help...

YES!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jackperkowski/2013/03/15/will-the-chinese-bu...

www.teslamodels.wordpress.com

FLsportscarenth... | March 15, 2013

Most Chinese can not even get close to affording a Tesla, of luxury buyers some may, if they like it, than more will. Likely Telsa is looking at taking customers from BMW and Audi in China. If they can sell more than 2,000 in Mainland China in 2015, I will think it is a good achievement. And if the the real estate bubble pops before then - well it they can sell 200 that will be amazing...

Looking forward to 2015, I think Norway and Nederlands will be far more important to Tesla's future than Mainland China. People in those countries really seem to appreciate what Tesla has to offer. By 2015 people will be seeing other people driving Teslas around and happy with their purchase, than I think 10 or even 15% market share is possible there, with maybe 2% market share in other major markets like US and Germany... That amounts to a lot of cars! The NUMMI plant will be at full capacity sooner than we think

teslajolt | March 15, 2013

Chinese will buy one, take it apart and clone it with cheap materials.

FLsportscarenth... | March 15, 2013

@teslajolt

Hehe yeah and put a BYD badge on the cheap clone... Think anyone outside of China will buy one?

BYT | March 15, 2013

"Think anyone outside of China will buy one?" Sure! Think India, Middle East, Russia, other Asian countries. Remember when China wanted to place 1 single order for a 747 from Boeing and Boeing said, "Yeah...NO!"

Bubba2000 | March 15, 2013

It does make sense to focus on Scandinavia, Holland, Switzerland, etc instead of China. Norway offers serious incentives like no import tax, free charging, etc versus heavily taxed ICE autos, $9-10/USG. Nominal per capita income of Norway is nearly $100k! These countries already have charging infrastructure. Just the opposite in China with low per capita income and a large country in area with few electrical chargers.

Same in the US... got to focus in states like CA, Northwest, North East, etc where the population is dense and the highway corridors. Tesla has very limited resources.

Brian H | March 15, 2013

1% of 1% of consumers in China is still a helluva lot of buyers.

Cattledog | March 15, 2013

Brian H - +1.

Look, I appreciate a higher market penetration in passionate countries like Norway and the Netherlands, surely critical to Tesla's success.

And yes, friends who have been to China the last several years, and 60 Minutes, report of highrise ghost towns. So there will probably be a real estate bubble.

But too Brian's math, 1% of 1.2 billion is 12 million, and 1% of that is 120,000. Multiply that by $100K and you get 12 billion in gross revenues.

Yes, a Beijing showroom is a decent thought. All those empty highrises have a lot of available power...

Kleist | March 15, 2013

The author clearly hasn't driven a MS so far and I doubt he has been ever to China. The most expensive assembly of foreign cars I have ever seen (and I live in the bay area with no shortage of expensive cars) is in front of any decent hotel in China over the weekends... Maseraties, Aston Martin, Lamborginies, etc,... you name it. I am sure there is ample of opportunity to sell thousands of cars. Electrical infrastructure is not a problem because they have staff to take care of it so the car is ready for the weekend.

Cattledog | March 16, 2013

Kleist +1.

Bubba2000 | March 17, 2013

I just think that the price of setting up a China store, service, plus maintenance for a year will be in excess of $1M-2M. For that kind of money, Tesla can set-up 100-200 charging stations each with 10 hook ups at 50-100 Amp/240V. All over the US.

Tesla has limited resources, and it needs to focus them at the most decisive geographic areas like West Coast, East Coast, Gulf Coast, the highway corridors. Then the Europe. It is much easier to do business here in the US, shorter supply and communication lines. It is this kind of focus that allows a company like Tesla to reach a critical mass with density of chargers, service, etc and leads to S-Curve growth.

That is what MacDonald, Starbucks, etc did before they went global.

Brian H | March 17, 2013

100-200 SC stations will cost 30-60 $million, not 1. Not a relevant comparison. Musk is on a faster timeline than McDonald's.

TeslaRocks | March 17, 2013

A China store makes sense to me, here are some reasons why:
-To not alienate China.
-For Tesla to start getting exposure there through word of mouth.
-To test the waters, it's a toe in the ocean to see what happens.
-Maybe China or even Asia is not quite ready for Tesla, we'll see, but that is one huge market as Brian said, so it cannot be ignored.
-Most people buying a MS in China will not worry about supercharger infrastructure because they can just use one of their several other cars for a trip, or fly as usual... perhaps similar to what the first Roadsters meant in America.
-China has the most millionaires in the world, if I am not mistaken, and most seem to have particular tastes and interests from what I gather.
-One store in China doesn't commit Tesla to building more in Asia in the near future, so it can still focus on other places until China--and the Tesla GenIII Bluestar--are ready.

TeslaWestCoast | March 17, 2013

I hope Tesla can succeed in China, but the main culprit for China's horrendous environmental problems will be the very source of power for Tesla vehicles sold in that country - coal-fired power plants.

Electric vehicles are a huge step in the right direction towards sustainable transportation, but renewable energy sources such as wind and solar are the key to making the the EV a true game-changer. China's coal-fired power plants are just trading one fossil fuel (oil) for another, more environmentally toxic fossil fuel (coal).

Brian H | March 18, 2013

Dispersed, non-dispatchable power sources subject to loss and requiring large allocations of real estate are the very opposite and enemy of progress. Windmills had their day, but it is centuries gone.

FLsportscarenth... | March 18, 2013

@Tesla Someday

China is now #1 in wind power, has built out a lot of clean hydro (Three Gorges Dam) and is deploying a lot of PV solar (mostly small scale in southern provinces like Hainan where it makes sense) so as China slowly starts to clean up its grid BEV/PHEVs will be good for China as well as the world at large but Tesla prices will mean small volume in sales, (the rich men's toys catagory) and I am not holding my breath for Gen III, I just think about 2015 when Model S will be available worldwide and Model X will be rolling off the line.

If they sell 200 - 2,000 I think they will have done well and hopefully at least be on the path to break even on their Beijing Store (the HK store can service Guangdong and southern China). It would be foolhardy to open more stores there unless sales were really way beyond expectations, and only if they remained steady past 2015.

Agreed with Bubba that NE (plus Toronto), West coast, FL and possibly TX should be the main focus for Tesla in North America and the EV friendly parts of Europe like CH, Norge, NL... Those areas have been producing sales and have the money and have the consumer interest to be profit centres and are worthy of SC investment.

With more friendly government policy, more of Europe (UK, France and Germany), More of Canada, Aus/NZ and Japan would be fertile ground, but their backward (or protective in the case of France Japan and Germany) policy puts a damper on things.

Brian H | March 18, 2013

FL;
you could change all of China's ICE to BEV at a stroke and it would have almost no effect on their air. Goods mfr and transport and coal power plants are doing almost all of it. It is very different from the US.

As for what is putting a "damper on things", it's the slow dawning of awareness that renewables economics is suicidally stupid. Watch the UK for a while; it's almost bought the farm unless it pulls fracking out of the bag at the last minute, which it is finally coming to realize.

FLsportscarenth... | March 18, 2013

@Brian H

ICE cars are small part of the pollution problem in China, agreed, but BEVs would help and allow them to reduce oil imports. But I do not see any great number of Teslas being sold there.

The offshore wind thrust in UK is a different animal than regular wind, not cost effective at all. Yes they need fracking to bolster sagging North Sea production. The UK seems to have suicidal tendencies in general when it comes to governance and strategic thinking... In 60 years they go from the the largest empire the world has ever seen to a pathetic second rate vassal state to the EU. Even the argentines are looking to grab the Falklands again as they smell blood in the water from a once proud nation that can not even control its own borders and allow islamic radicals and third world thugs and looters to take over its cities... I love the UK and its culture but it is plain sad to see the state the place is in today...

TeslaRocks | March 19, 2013

Wind has been cost effective for a while, according to the industry at least, but I agree that producing any power of any source is challenging, especially when the power is not concentrated and on-demand, unlike fossil fuels. Basically, fossil fuels have turned us into spoiled brats who are not used to working to harvest their energy. There may be lots of coal left, but even pollution aside, we know by definition that non-renewables cannot last for ever. I see it as another technological challenge that awaits a great mind to come along and change everything. Elon, I'm still waiting for that clone of yours to come and help me with creating ultra-cheap wind power.

And I agree, one Tesla store in China is enough for now and the next few years. That store will be useful, though, as an indicator of rising demand for Tesla vehicles in that country, which is probably more reliable and cheaper than doing surveys and studies if the store pays for itself.

I imagine there will come a time when Tesla will be selling some type of transport that appeals to China a whole lot, not sure if that will be more in the form of a compact EV or some form of public transit, or even EV motorcycles. Either way, having a worldwide presence, even if thin, is a smart move in preparation.

Brian H | March 19, 2013

"spoiled brats" is good. External energy that substitutes for muscle power is the whole point. Your entire way-of-life arises from availability of concentrated power. Pretending that such sourcing can be replaced with inefficient PC forms is foolish, and very dangerous. Already many millions have been driven below the starvation-unto-death line by the doublings of grain staple prices over the last decade or so, caused by the misappropriation of agricultural resources for Fuel instead of Food -- what an FAO official termed a 'Crime Against Humanity' (the UN's worst offense, worse than war crimes or slave trafficking).

The pushing of renewables is a crime against civilization, which its pushers despise and want to unravel. (Just listen to John Ehrlich, newly elevated to the Royal Society. Mass depopulation is just one of his dreams.)

alcassfast | March 19, 2013

We don't have to bomb people for electricity.
The only fight over electricity were the so called, "current wars", between Edison and Tesla (Westinghouse) and the only entities that died were a few stray cats and dogs, an unruly elephant, and a death-row inmate. Tragic, nonetheless but still on a tiny scale compared to every war from WWII until today.

Tesluthian | March 19, 2013

Fusion, hydrogen, & cost competitive renewables by the end of the century. Reduce all hydrocarbons to hydrogen to keep oil & coal jobs. Natural Gas & Safer Planned Nuclear as transition fuels to create jobs & get our economy going again.

TeslaWestCoast | March 19, 2013

@FLsportscarenth...

As much wind- and solar-generated electricity as China is aiming to produce, they can't switch to renewables fast enough. As someone who had childhood asthma, I almost needed a respirator just looking at these pictures:

http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/01/chinas-toxic-sky/100449/#

I certainly hope that China continues to clean up its energy grid, as this will not only help the viability of EVs (such as Tesla) as a sustainable form of transportation, but more importantly, the health of millions of Chinese citizens?

TeslaWestCoast | March 19, 2013

@FLsportscarenth...

As much wind- and solar-generated electricity as China is aiming to produce, they can't switch to renewables fast enough. I almost needed a respirator just looking at these pictures:

http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/01/chinas-toxic-sky/100449/#

I certainly hope that China continues to clean up its energy grid, as this will not only help the viability of EVs (such as Tesla) as a sustainable form of transportation, but more importantly, the health of millions of Chinese citizens?

Brian H | March 20, 2013

Cleaning up air pollution has demonstrably nothing whatever to do with renewables. It has to do with emission controls at source.

TeslaRocks | March 20, 2013

Brian, if I understand your point, as the world runs out of fossil fuels, humanity will inevitably head back towards a new stone age because we have no energy to power our modern lifestyles? Since the majority of people are not fit for that lifestyle, the majority will die. I used to wonder if that could happen if there was a sudden and way more severe than ever experienced energy shock, at least in some parts of the world. I now have a little more hope in humanity's potential to find solutions. And don't forget that a large portion of energy use is waste, just because we can afford to waste so much. Maybe a financially depressed and energy poor place like Greece today is a good example of what would happen: people heat their house much less or not at all in winter because the gas supply was cut, and life is affected in dozens of other ways, but it goes on.

I agree that biofuels are ridiculous. By that I mean plants grown specifically to be converted to fuel, as opposed to using oil frying grease as biodiesel or discarded by-product like sawdust for fuel. Pretty soon meat will be grown in lab farms underground or in towers, using a process that is much more energy efficient (might involve eating more fish and less hot-blooded animals, who knows), and we will look back to today and wonder how we could be so foolish to trade ten pounds of grain for one of meat and pollute waterways in the process. I'm not against eating meat, I'm just saying there is a lot of room for improvement there because the process is so inefficient. Asian carp sounds like the most efficient meat source of all, and it so happens to be invading North America right now. If I lived near waterways this fish has reached, I'd be fishing right now.

As for your quick condemnation of renewables, Brian, I find your reasoning on the subject either lacking or overly simplistic. Do you really see no hope whatsoever for any form of renewables?

Brian H | March 20, 2013

@TeslaRocks
"Brian, if I understand your point, as the world runs out of fossil fuels, humanity will inevitably head back towards a new stone age because we have no energy to power our modern lifestyles? "

Not really, though some kind of fantasy fuedal lifestyle seems to be the logical outcome of hard-core green scenarios. "Running out" is not the issue, but demonizing and abandoning is. Economics and the will to survive will prevent wholesale idiocy, but in the meantime billions suffer, and millions die as the poorer countries take the hit. E.g., power generation projects in Africa are unfunded because they're not "green" enough, electricity isn't made available, and the deadly reliance on smoky fires or kerosene lighting indoors continues. In the UK, pensioners must choose between heat and food as power and fuel prices spike--as a planned result of moving to "80 % renewables" in a few years. Etc.

TeslaRocks | March 20, 2013

Brian,
If you are referring to biofuels, although it may masquarade as green policy, it is clearly not, it is a policy to support farmers and other business interests. Seeming environmentally conscious has been a great sell politically and for anyone with a public image, really, so don't be surprised if a lot of businesses and policies jump on to make a quick buck for them or their friends and care little about the actual issue.

It's the first time I hear of projects in Africa not being funded being because they are not "green" enough. Last time I checked, instability and war were the main deterrents to economical development in that region. Plus China doesn't seem to mind, they are a developing a lot of projects in places like Sudan and Angola. Those "green" concerns haven't stopped the peasants in Madagascar from chopping down a large part of the rainforest. Similar story in Brazil and part of Asia. Doesn't mean they'll live better when there'll be no more forest for them to exploit.

I don't deny that there are a lot of stupid or perverse effects to some "green" policies, like carbon credits motivating at least one company in China to pollute like never before (article I read years ago). I agree the approach isn't always effective and sometimes fails pretty severely, which is expected when trial and error is involved. That doesn't mean it is wrong to try something if the intent is noble.

However, you seem to have the approach that not only is the therapy the wrong one, but you don't acknowledge a need in the first place. So which one is it you don't agree with, the medication or the diagnosis?

Eventually the world will run out of fossil fuels (meaning it will become increasingly costly to harvest what's left while needs will be at all-time highs) and humanity will be faced with an unavoidable choice: adapt or die (by "die" I mean mostly the modern lifestyle, because a few will survive). Except it will be too short noticed to refine the technology and switch to renewables without inflicting a serious shock to the same kind of people you describe are suffering now. The alternative is to start developing and deploying renewable energy equipment sooner in hope of reducing the shock, although in the meantime that technology may look unappealing and hopeless in comparison to the convenience and abundance of fossil fuels. There are always trade-offs in these sort of things. What is needed is one or many breakthroughs, but those can happen only if we push ahead.

teslaisfuture | March 20, 2013

Well, let me see... I can't say for all Chinese but since I bought one and I am a Chinese (Chinese/Taiwanese to be exact), my answer is "yes, definitely!". On top of that, I also "sold" several Tesla MS to my friends.

It really isn't just about the price since there is no lack of rich people or fancy cars in China, H.K., Taiwan, etc. After all, it's the quality of air you breathing in if anyone cared.

Just my 2 cents.

Brian H | March 20, 2013

TRocks;
support for some generating plants was explicitly withheld at the instigation of a senior British official in a UN agency, for that reason. I'll dig around for the link, and post it if I locate it. But there has been much pressure to use "natural" energy sources at many times the cost per kW of conventional plant -- a luxury the third world is neither willing nor able to support.

As for eventually running out of fossil fuels, that argument gets weaker by the day. In any case, the illusion of "saving them" for future generations is both arrogant and foolish. The Stone Age didn't end because people ran out of stones, nor has any civilization collapsed for lack of resources since the Romans ran short of tin.

http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2009/05/08/there-is-no-shortage-of-stuff/
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2009/03/20/there-is-no-energy-shortage

vgrinshpun | March 20, 2013

China to become world’s biggest luxury car market, surpassing the U.S.:

http://www.cpp-luxury.com/china-to-become-worlds-biggest-luxury-car-mark...

TeslaRocks | March 20, 2013

Brian,
The Stone Age ended when people found better materials to make tools with, right? The Oil Age will end when a better energy source and economy goes mainstream and renders oil mostly obsolete, and this could happen anytime, but is not as likely to happen while oil is cheap, plentiful, subsidized, required to power cars and everything else. Actually, I think that the catch-22 is part of the reason oil remains dominant and fossil fuels are rather hard to displace: need oil to power cars because that is what they use, new cars are made to run on oil because it is readily available. But luckily Tesla is changing that.

Saving fossil fuels for later isn't arrogant or foolish. Like paper and wood, a lot of other things can be made out of oil and coal than just fire. Even saving fossil fuels for its energy content isn't automatically foolish. And I can't see what arrogance has to do with prudence.

You can't say that the argument of running out of fossil fuels gets weaker by the day and not say why that is. Otherwise, you are implying that each new day where we don't run out of oil makes it more certain that we never will. I won't bother explaining to you how is makes no sense, but it shows that you are ignoring fundamentals and have a very weak understanding of statistics. The same logic probably convinces you to invest in most financial bubbles, especially towards the end when the asset has been gaining value for so long that it can't possibly come down now. If you live in a region with a history of violent earthquakes, you are also likely to conclude that another earthquake is less and less likely each day that goes by without such an incident (in fact, I'm pretty sure the probability of another earthquake in the next month goes up rather than down because the "elastic" of the Earth's crust stretches with time (at an unknown rate) and gets closer to its (unknown) breaking point). Well it can't it isn't clear yet, I'll spell it out: it's similar with oil, we know that oil reserves are finite although the exact quantity left might be impossible to know, and we know that oil is extracted and burned every day. Forecasting the future might be tricky as always, but how can anyone conclude that we will never run out of oil? Yeah, maybe if civilization starts extracting only the same quantity that is created simultaneously through natural processes.

I think Elon said it well: think from fundamental principles, not by analogy. Because we've never run out of oil yet doesn't mean it can never happen. Just because we've never witnessed extreme man-made climate change doesn't mean it can never happen.

Tesluthian | March 20, 2013

The only problem I have with renewables is they should create wealth, not destroy it. If we converted to renewables and nuclear, then we could export our hydrocarbons creating over a trillion dollars more wealth per year for this country.

We could also export technology to green our hydrocarbons where they can be implemented easier by other countries, especially of they have lower labor costs.

For exa, export our coal to China, there they can easily set up a huge algae farms to capture most of the carbon produced by the coal and generate greener fuels from it.

In politically stable arid countries, a safe nuclear plant, that also produced desalinized water from the oceans would foster farming in arid lands, increasing the greenery of the land. In fact southern Texas could use a few of these, it's pretty dry in southern Texas and it would look like Sacremento Valley California with enough water.

FLsportscarenth... | March 20, 2013

@cindy

I do not think we are talking about ethnic chinese living in North America as I assume you are. We are talking about sales in Mainland China, with it's specific economic, regulatory and demographic conditions. I am skeptical about the promise of large numbers of sales there because of a lot of factors but most of all the bubble economy and low incomes currently. My guess is the Free China (Republic of China on Taiwan) holds more promise for Tesla sales than Red China as Taiwan's 22 million people have a average income ten times that of Red China and Taiwanese people seem to have a good appreciation of quality american goods (I remember seeing a lot of american cars there). A Tesla store in Taipei and Kaohsiung with a service centre in Hsinchu would be a much better use of Tesla investment.

teslaisfuture | March 21, 2013

@FLsportscarenth...

Actually, those *sales* all occurred in China ... not north America.

teslaisfuture | March 21, 2013

Most people I talked to (yes, they’re all in H.K., China or Taiwan) all thrilled about the idea of Tesla and cannot wait to get their hands on the car. In my humble opinion, I do agree have a Tesla store in Taiwan is more practical just because major cities in Taiwan are in much smaller scale and extreme condense v.s. Beijing/Shanghai, that is what EV really good at – one full charge can last you from Taipei to Kaohsiung. I do hope to see Tesla can open a store in Taipei someday. However, even there is only 0.5% (or 1%, to be optimistic) of people in China can afford a Tesla – that is still a lot. Clearly, Tesla didn’t underestimated the power of consumer.

TeslaRocks | March 21, 2013

@Tesluthian
Wealth is all a matter of perspective, because renewables could be disruptive, yet owning them could one day provide a good steady stream of income, especially if the really useful devices is available only to those who have the technology, the capital to build it, and the peace and stability to allow these investments to succeed instead of being destroyed or stollen. This suggests most of the developing world will still demand fossil fuels for some time, which does, as you say, provide an opportunity for exporting what's left here, so to speak. However, I don't see how exporting thermal coal to China will ever be viable and carbon capture through anything else than natural processes will never work on a large scale, it's probably just another fake solution thrown into the debate by an increasingly nervous fossil fuel industry.

Last night, I was watching the Elon Musk interview on TED (finally posted the day before, it seems), which reminded me of his bet with a friend that within about 18 years from now, so by about 2031, solar power will become the plurality of energy sources. That's a very confident statement, and although it should be investigated further before influencing any investment decision on my part, it does suggest that perhaps the situation with renewables is beginning to change significantly. Here is the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgKWPdJWuBQ

Then I was also watching this guy talk about de-extinction and this other guy talk about desertification.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKc9MJDeqj0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpTHi7O66pI

Thought I'd share in case it might interest you.

@FLsportscarenth... and cindys_tesla
I think Beijing was an obvious first choice partly due to symbolic reasons, but I think you're right that the next Tesla store and service centre in Asia, when it will be time for it, should be based more on socio-economical analysis and could end up in a more surprising location. I'm not sure, but I think that opening a store in Taiwan before Beijing or another more central location in China could have been seen as offensive or at least shocking.

FLsportscarenth... | March 21, 2013

I understand the symbolism of the Beijing store and more likely than not the socioeconomic pinnacle in Beijing will make it at least break even long term... I hope... I always wish TM commercial success...

But I would hold off on the Shanghai store till sales start reflecting... Having been to Taiwan several times, I think the 22 million in Taiwan will be a much richer field for TM (interestingly small Taiwan has about the same population and income levels as Australia and I think 3 facilities would work there too...) Beijing and HK stores is enough for the Mainland till sales say differently...

Of course if I was Elon I would open the Taipei store first, just to spite the bloody commies! (but justify it on income for PR purposes). I had a lot of bad dealings with people from Red China, the opposite with people from ROC. Remember how loyal Taiwan was to the US, even after Jimmy Carter abandoned them... Similar business culture and no swindling like what has been happening with US companies on the Mainland (think Caterpiller and all the intellectual property theft)...

In Asia, Singapore and KL holds promise (especially if the SG government gives a break on COEs for EVs - they may well as EMA is very interested in them. Hehe, give Lee Kuan Yew and his son (current PM) a test drive and see what happens!

frmercado | March 22, 2013

Yo have to be in China if you want to show the world you mean business, plus according to OECD "China Will Soon Have World's Largest Economy."

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/03/22/news-china-close-to-bec...

Tesluthian | March 22, 2013

This one location in China alone could sell 20,000 MS's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl2aOLlIUOc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I would guess a million visitors a week are possiblel. A potential million millionaire visitors a year.

Tesluthian | March 22, 2013

@TeslaRocks

The de-extinction video was interesting, the scary part, they said genetics is advancing at fours times the rate of Moore's Law. Perhaps use genetics to create algae that produces clean burning fuel. I was thinking lately these four industries would synergize nicely in China: genetics, a rice farm, a sewage plant, a coal plant, & an algae farm.

The coal plant dissolves its carbon emissions into water and floods the rice fields with it. The rice and algae are genetically engineered to breath and thrive off water desolved carbon & thrive together. The sewage plant is used to fertilize both.

Because of the very large water surface area, the rice field will expose a lot of algae to the sun for photosynthesis. When drained, I believe the algae will produce 5,000 gallons of cleaner bio-fuel per hector, plus you get the rice, use up waste, and decarbonize the coal plant. Any algae left in the field will help fertilize the next rice crop.

Let's say a coal plant or two can sequester all their carbon emissions in a thousand acre flooded rice field. That rice field would produce 5 million barrels of cleaner burning fuel per rice crop. Not bad, and you don't displace any farming.

Next, he desertification video finally vindicates meatlovers vital role in decarbonizing the atmosphere. Texans will love it. Build 300 safe, hurricane proof nuke plants on the Texas coastline, engineered to also de-salinize water from the Gulf and pump it inland.

Then farmers/cattlemen can grow grasslands and use "Intense Rotational Grazing" to raise cattle. This will stabilize the price of beef; save the Texas cattle farmers going broke from dessertifcation; use genetics to create cattle with healthy fats & create a multibillion new meat export business; help green southeastern Texas which is dessertified; and finally take vast amounts of carbon out of the atmosphere with the new grasslands.

Tesluthian | March 22, 2013

@TeslaRocks

Whoops , forgot the link for "Intense Rotational Grazing" here it is :

ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75nwvIK2AMs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Hope this helps with my comment on de-dessertification. I also hope my previous comments show what i nean that renewables should create wealth, as well as solve various green and/or climate problems.

Tesluthian | March 22, 2013

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75nwvIK2AMs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Intense Rotational Grazing link above.

Correct spelling: one s, desertification, sorry bout that.

frmercado | March 22, 2013

@Tesluthian and 50 years later... 90% of the Chinese population develops Cancer from eating so much GMO rice! :)

Brian H | March 22, 2013

GMO rice ('golden rice') is one of the great developments in agriculture. It has enough Vitamin A to prevent blindness in children.

Cattledog | March 23, 2013

Yes - you have to be in China to do business there, especially if you are selling a product. Also, Chinese internet 'screening' is significant, so a store in Beijing may open online channels to Tesla that would not exist if they weren't there and were simply hoping for 'click and buy' orders from China.

Up to now, Tesla's proven to be pretty savvy in just about all endeavors. Can't wait to buy Tesla paraphernalia branded in Chinese characters!

www.teslamodels.wordpress.com

Tesluthian | March 23, 2013

fmercado

Can't say bout the genetically modified rice, don't know much about it. But it looks like genetics is here to stay.

But 90% of Beijingies? also could also get COPD, they could learn from Pennsyvania. The southside of Pittsburgh, Pa use to be covered in a layer of red dust from a Steel Mill that use to operate there in the 50's and 60's. The legacy of that is the COPD ward in Southsiside Hospital full of bed ridden people with COPD.

A small town in Pa had people literally die from a smog inversion over the city.
People who work in WV coal mines get black lung.
People worked with asbestos got mesothelioma, etc, etc.
Tiny particulates of stuff is bad for the lungs. And toxic vapors as in cigarette smoke & smog, destroys lung tissue.

People forget there are health benefits to switching to pollution free renewables.

Brian H | March 23, 2013

Power plants are filtered. Mines, not so much.

Tesluthian | March 24, 2013

@BrianH

Ok I guess for polluted Asian cities like Beijing , Teska needs an optional pollution upgrade package to include things like the following pollution upgrades on the MS:
1) Gas mask quality air filtration system.
2) Pollution sensors with digital dash displays listing various air pollutant levels.
3). Pollution warning lights & buzzers.
4). Price meter to charge people chocking on smog to sit inside your air filtered MS.

Tesla will make a fortune.

Cattledog can do the same for Beijing architecture designs.

Brian H | March 24, 2013

Why would people chock up on smog inside a Tesla? They'd end up choking even more. :( >;p

Alex K | March 24, 2013

@Tesluthian | MARCH 24, 2013: Teska[sic] needs an optional pollution upgrade package

Many luxury (and non luxury) cars have automatic recalculation enabled when they sense some kind of pollutants, such as CO2 or NOx. They also include activated charcoal filters in the air stream. My Lexus Rx450h has that. It comes in handy when you are behind a smelly diesel. Mercedes, for example, also has a humidity sensor in some of their cars to improve air quality. I'm sure Tesla will add these features in a future model as they transition from start-up mode.

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