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Fair Price for 14-50 Outlet Install?

Fair Price for 14-50 Outlet Install?

Lots of folks here seem to have some experience getting the 14-50 outlets installed in their garages, so I wanted to get some opinions on this. Is $621 (plus permit) a fair price to run a 25 foot conduit from the subpanel and install the 14-50 outlet? Is it close enough to fair given that our electric utility rebates half the cost upon delivery of the Model S (incidentally, the guys at Ausitn Energy test drove the Model S at the Get Amped event here and LOVED it)? Thanks!

reitmanr | January 3, 2013

My panel was also full. I did have a subpanel from the solar feeds so we used it to add the breakers and circuit for the charger. About $300 plus part which were around $30 or $40. Anxious to see how the solar prevents my bill this year from going up much. We are in the SF Bay area,

Brian H | January 3, 2013

If you had the solar last yr., wouldn't its impact be the same this year? Your net will increase by the cost of charging the S, regardless.

wonder | January 11, 2013

My experience is similar to docdac above.
100 - 120 ft from Service/Breaker panel at one end of the house basement routing over finished basement (where I helped) through
to garage and up to garage ceiling (centered between two bays).
Only installed one NEMA 14-50 outlet though.
$875.

Michael S | January 11, 2013

I paid $125 for the install. Less than two feet of conduit run. and I bought the outlet and 50 amp breaker from Home Depot myself. So all told about $200.

drp | January 11, 2013

Well it's pretty exciting because, even though I don't have the car yet, my garage is now ready to plug-in! It was $850 but they put in a NEMA 1450 inside 1 inch conduit so that I can just pull the wire through if I get the HBWC. It was between 25 and 30 feet altogether but it looks fantastic! I haven't made a decision about the HBWC yet but I will wait and see how well things go with the 1450.

mbcaffe | January 11, 2013

$220 total install with an electrician with about 12 ft conduit from panel outside garage. took about 2 hrs.

memcd | January 11, 2013

mkh1437: Noticed you said "attached condo building." I'm in the same situation. Do you have to get approval from condo association? Did you cross common area? I'm thinking better to ask forgiveness afterwards than permission ahead of time.

stephen.kamichik | January 11, 2013

I live in the Montreal area. Theoret electrician did the install for $450 plus tax. The run was fifty feet.

Robert22 | January 11, 2013

A federal tax credit of 30% on a charger if installed the same year? I guess that means if you received the car in the middle of December and installed the charger in January you're out of luck. What are these people smoking?

stephen.kamichik | January 12, 2013

Robert22.....They are inhaling their own hot air.

brooklynrab | January 12, 2013

I have a (perhaps) stupid and a bit unrelated question: Can they install the NEMA 14-50 outlet for the car outside on an exterior wall exposed to the elements? Anything extra to consider if i do that?

drp | January 12, 2013

I believe that can be done. I plan on having that done at my father's home but it will need a simple flip cover of some sort to keep the elements out. If nothing else, it would be easy to be home-made.

Brian H | January 12, 2013
Brian H | January 12, 2013

Blew the image link:

Brian H | January 12, 2013

Still won't load! >:(

David Trushin | January 13, 2013

I just got mine installed by Kapital Electric. They said they charged about $15 a foot plus materials (like outlet and breaker) I have about 40 ft run and it cost $700. I also had 1.5 inch conduit ($50 extra) so they can run a second line through it if I want another outlet. BTW, the installer had the wrong outlet when he came and had to go find an electrical supply shop to get the right one.

Cleaned up a stall in the garage for the S. Now I'm all dressed up with no place to go. Haven't heard back on the paperwork yet.

Abby | January 13, 2013

May I ask a related question.
I am planning a NEMA 14-50 outlet to be in the garage; but the car must stay outside.
Will I be able to charge in all weather conditions?
Thinking, what if it starts to rain and I'm still charging?
Will it be safe to touch the connector if it's wet????

jat | January 13, 2013

@abby - the car and charger are fine -- if the 14-50 outlet will be exposed to the weather, you need a weather-rated outlet.

Abby | January 13, 2013

Does anyone have Federal Pacific electrical panel??

David Trushin | January 13, 2013

The electrician who installed mine talked about an all weather installation "like they have at trailer parks". I think that disconnecting at the car is safe in rain. Don't know about the other end.

eelton | January 13, 2013

I paid $600. The circuit breaker panel is in my garage. The cable run was about 20 feet. The conduit was already largely in place, as was the box in which the outlet is mounted (it contained an unused light switch, which I told the electrician to take out).

It seems others have paid less, but I did at least (based on this thread) talk the electrician down from $680.

HansJ | January 13, 2013

Outside installation is not a problem. Remember these are the same outlets installed in RV parks/camp grounds.

This is what mine looks like on the side of my front porch.

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10217&d=13488...

Nich0le0 | February 13, 2013

I can't seem to find any info about what condo owners are paying. My condo building has 110 outlets at some spaces and some 240 outlets in the carwash bay. However, they won't let me charge my Tesla using any of them. They want me to run my own line with a separate meter. I got the quote back yesterday for $6,490. The main electrical box is 190 feet away. I really don't want to pay that much, especially since this is not my forever home. I will probably sell my unit in 1-2 years to start a family in the suburbs. But, not sure what choice I have. I guess I have to fork over the money for the outlet or lose my deposit and Tesla.

suegie | February 13, 2013

pjstreet, is there a place you can charge the car while you are at work? then you wouldn't have to pay to put in your own outlet at home. kind of a workaround solution.

Lush1 | February 13, 2013

I'm one of the lucky ones. My electrical panel is in the garage. My regular electrician installed the outlet for $200. The breaker box has 15 slots per side, 14 were in use on both legs, but one was only feeding a single socket in the closet on the floor above, which I installed a few years ago when I had to have my floors replaced. Saw a hole during demolition and took the opportunity to run the wire and install a socket in the closet. Never used it so he moved it to a different circuit, opening slot 14 and using available slot 15 for the double breaker and installed the 14-50 about 4" below my panel. It's right next to the driver door which is perfect. Would have done it myself but I've been working my tail off cleaning out the stuff that accumulated in the garage when the floors were replaced over 2 years ago. Probably never would have cleaned up that mess if I didn't have the absolute deadline of my Model S delivery and the absolute need to plug it in at home (very few options in the eastern U.S.). I can finally stop paying for monthly parking 4 blocks away from my house which has a perfectly good garage. I'm not lazy. I'm losing mobility and strength from disk degeneration. Cleaning the garage was like climbing a mountain to me, but I finally reached the summit. Ah, necessity. Sorry, I ramble sometimes. $200...no conduit...local independent electrician...took under an hour. Model S delivered yesterday and charged successfully for the 1st time last night. Eureka.

kw1 | February 13, 2013

Approximate parts cost at Home Depot:
NM 6/3 cable - 8 feet @ 3.05/ft = $25
14-50R receptacle $9
box and cover $9
50 amp Square D circuit breaker $9
miscellaneous parts I had already (metal stud covers to protect wire inside drywall, drywall mud, screws, and paint)
So under $60 in parts.

I installed inside garage. About 3 hours work (not continuous and I work slow) to open up drywall, run cable about 4 feet from main breaker box, close up drywall, and repaint. I had spare room on my main 100 amp panel. So even though not everyone will do this themselves, this should give you some idea of cost. I used 6 gauge due to continuous load and at $3 per foot for cable, a long or exposed run would substantially increase the cost, and consideration must be given that electricians are skilled labor and charge as such, but a skilled electrician would probably have done this in an hour (not including drywall repair).

riceuguy | February 13, 2013

Just a quick update as I'm the original poster! The second electrician who came out quoted $1000+, so I went with the first. It turns out, his estimate of $621 included the permit, etc., so it's actually under $500 for the work. Plus, I get half of it back as a rebate, so really it will cost me $310, and I can get a tax credit for 30% of either the $621 or $310 (not sure which yet!) so the net cost will be probably under $200. Nice.

ramtaz | March 13, 2013

Mr.Electric estimated $640 plus $257 for permit, then advised if inspector does not like the 30 yr old box, I would have to replace box , $2200 additional.

drjain06 | March 13, 2013

Live in Toledo, OH. Paind $440 for install including 100ft of wire to run to the control box.

cmanchen | March 13, 2013

I just got a quote for $725 total. 40 feet of wire and conduit. It is a slightly tricky run from the basement to the garage. They estimated 5 hours of labor and have to put in a tandem 20 amp breaker to make room for the 2 Pole 50 amp breaker.

Based on others, the price seems reasonable.

Cleveland, OH

mallynb | March 13, 2013

I will do it myself before 40kWh Model S delivery in May-June. 100' run of 6/3 indoor romex from basement to attic, across house and attached garage attics, down to outlet on garage wall. New 50A breaker, outlet box, and flush mount 14-50 receptacle. $240-250.

mallynb | March 13, 2013

I forgot to mention that I consulted an electrician about codes covering specs and installation. I also will apply for the 30% tax credit. The net cost will be about $165-175.

ziggy | March 13, 2013

Mine was $525 from a local electrician. Printed off the Tesla page that had the specs and handed it to him and he was off to the races.

Hills | March 13, 2013

To make all you guys feel great, mine was $2000, professional electricians, 100 ft, under the house, drill through concrete, 1" conduit up, across, down garage....

DonS | March 13, 2013

There is more than one way to do it, especially for long runs. A 100' run of #6 wire at 40A will lose 125 Watts into heating the wire. Running #2 wire to a sub-panel in the garage with a short run of #6 will only lose 50 Watts into the wiring. Running the larger size was $330 in extra materials. (Total materials cost just over $1000, plus 18 hours labor to get 1-1/4" EMT pipe through the crawl space and walls.) It also gives me flexibility to add anything else I might want to add in the future. Assuming 8 hours a day of charging, the electricity savings will pay for the larger service in 5 years.

Also, to minimize energy wasted into heating the wires, don't charge any faster than you need to get a full charge by morning. 40A charging versus turning down to 20A charging cuts the waste heat by 3/4, or course you need to charge twice as long. For my setup, it is not a big difference, about as much as leaving a 25W light on all night. The people with 100' runs of #6 wire will see a bigger difference.

Similarly, going form 40A to 80A will quadruple the waste heat. 100' of #2 will waste 50W at 40A, but 200W at 80A.

Alex K | March 13, 2013

I had two different location installs done. Both were for HPWC preparation but one included NEMA 14-50 and the other NEMA 6-50. This might give you a price range. As you've probably surmised from previous posts, it all depends on the location of your receptacle and panel.

1. $600: Installed new 125A sub-panel (35ft wire run through attic space), rewired NEMA 6-50 and two other locking NEMA plugs. HPWC wiring not installed at this time. 4-hours labor at $65/hr. (HPWC wiring and circuit breaker was install at approximately $100 at a later date)

2. $2700: Installed new 125A sub-panel (105ft wire run under house), extensive drywall work and painting in garage. Wired NEMA 14-50 and wired out separately for HPWC. 22 hours labor at$ 65/hr.

hbh24 | March 13, 2013

I paid about $400 to a local (Central NY) electrician for a 14-50 plug installed in my garage about three feet from my circuit breaker. Solar City representative would come from about 100 miles away to do the work, but his wife was expecting their first baby and he did not want to be too far away. Understandable.

models60 | March 13, 2013

@450 by SolarCity in bay-area. It was fairly easy job. About 5 feet of conduit from the panel already in my Garage.

Duffer | March 13, 2013

Just paid $575 for about 60 feet (copper) snaked through two walls and ceiling; local electrician, no permit, Boston area.

RedS | March 18, 2013

SolarCity quoted me $750 for the simplest job ever!

Anyone recommend an electrician in the bay area? Getting quotes, but they vary wildly.

FFox | March 18, 2013

We used Dollens Electric 408-929-6100. My husband thought he was fair and he has done installation for other Tesla owners.

vlsidude | March 18, 2013

I did this myself. 30+ feet of 3/4 EMT from an existing sub-panel in the garage to the outlet location wired with #6 AWG. The supplies were under $100 (mostly wire at 0.61/ft for #6) and it took about 3 hours - mostly bending and installing conduit and repairing dry-wall where I ran the conduit inside a wall to the sub panel.

Xerogas | March 18, 2013

Mine was $280 with a local electrician (SolarCity quoted $450). I didn't need a new panel, and it was about a 3' run to the socket.

hpatelmd | April 1, 2013

@jat@jaet.org, would you mind sharing the name of who you used for your electrical outlet and wiring?

HenryT2 | May 16, 2013

I was quoted $875 for a 14-50 next to my panel by Mr. Electric, the electricians recommended by Solar City. I've called 2 electricians and they seem to think around $200ish. They're coming by tomorrow. If it's more, I'll post further explanation. But I'd like to find out what kind of relationship the guy at Tesla who decided that Mr. Electric should be their recommendation has with them. I'm guessing they're professional and know their business, but they seem to have a huge profit margin. Sometimes, that means behind-the-scenes overheads require the additional profit margin. Other times, it's a personal relationship. Rarely is it just plain superior quality (not at 4x the price).

jeffaa | May 16, 2013

Solar City wanted $650. The company installing my solar panels did it for $150 with the job.

fluxemag | May 16, 2013

My electrician in AZ did it for $450. He ran conduit outside the perimeter of the house, probably 100feet. That's about half what Solar City quoted. I had thought it would be cheaper, but copper is $$$ and it was a longer run than I had figured. Don't care, want car.

JohnnyMac | May 16, 2013

$890 to add 50 amp breaker and run wire approx 70' to detached garage (underground for 20 feet of that in conduit thru a 18" deep trench that I dug) .

EVTripPlanner | May 16, 2013

Mine is SoCal from SolarCity with about same run as yours. Charged about $750. I think they are 20-40% over market rate and are taking advantage of tie-in with Tesla. Of course, if you get solar from them at same time maybe they'd throw it in :-)

AlMc | May 16, 2013

It took a friend of mine who is a commercial electrician 2 hours to do the entire installation. Interior wall breaker box, 70 feet of wire and a hardened outdoor box. The material cost was $170.

If he were doing it for a profit he would charge $100/hr for time..so $370.

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