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Esoteric EV ramblings.

Very msc. EV topics. Freewheelling, where decorum to "stay on topic" is not so critical.

searcher | March 23, 2011

@dsm363 and VolkeP, Thanks very much for the very professional and good posts. I hope I can rise to the same tone in responding.

Absolutely, both of you are very, very likely to be right on the mark with your comments. If that is the case that will be not be a situation of defeat or failure to me. Won't even worry much about idea I persisted on for so long and it was always in error. But if you will read back over a few of the introductory posts I explained that for the ones who had already advised me that it was unworkable, if they would be so kind, just to overlook it and bsically just skip over this discussion as I already knew your opinion. I deeply regret if reintroduction of concept is causing any anxiety and dismay in anyone but I know you think it is "perpetual motion" and I definitely have been taught "pepetual motion" can't work and I fully accept this. But I just don't feel it is pepetual motion. It may be entirely unworkable but I beg you to please not let the idea disturb you and just attempt to ignore it. I am simply trying to get some other ideas concerning this idea. Maybe one day I will finally resign to the fact the idea wont work. But can not concurrently do this. I will be attempting to get more various and new individuals looking at the idea. And I will be talking to some of the professors and engineering students at Auburn University and getting them to look at it. Honestly I will not be surprised at all if they tell me the same thing you have repeatedly tried to tell me and in most cases your explanations were in a professional tone. So I will beg your tolerence, maybe just a while longer and I will be convinced but sorry I just can't let this idea alone just yet. So please just continue to bear with me awhile longer. Not really intending to say you are wrong in your perceptions, as I fully feel you all know and are totally well grounded in your science. But must remember that there is a somewhat limited audience,if you will, and there might possibly{but unlikely} things such as "group behavior" interacting and influencing views and opinions. So thanks agian for the very professional posts and very good tone, but bear with me a little while longer and I will take it to a larger audience where your opinions and knowledge of facts will be very likely be totally verified. Just a footnote: although Tesla was a classically and fully trained scientest who loved his studies and operated within the disciplines of his science endowed with very unusual mind he was able to push the boundries out through sheer innate genius interacting within his disciplines. Think if he was here he might could bring my concept to fruition. I kind of think he might at least get close.Think one of my problems is I am not able to articulate the concept better. As we can see what we need the devices to do,I think, just a matter of developing them. to me, if you see what the device needs to do, then you are well on the road to deveoping the device. Long footnote,huh. Sincerely,thanks again.

searcher | March 23, 2011

BrianH, Just shutup about the misspelling of perpetual motion twice,ha.

Brian H | March 23, 2011

Oh, I thought you meant perspiral motion! No sweat.

searcher | March 23, 2011

Perspiral motion,hmmm. Think I have an idea here. I know, I know, it would be as good as the others,ha.Brianh di you find out wat the TCB on the Elvis jewelry he gave to favored staff and friends meant? thnkyavermuch

Brian H | March 24, 2011

What are you doing up at this time of night? Gotobedarreddy.

marcuac | March 25, 2011

searcher,

Here's a nice quote for you:

"Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another."
— Albert Einstein

Think deeply about this statement, not just in a phylosophical way but as a very literal and physical fact. Energy is never "produced", it is taken from somewhere else.

Now re-think your idea, identify all types and sources of energy, add them all up and the result has to remain constant over time. If it doesn't then something's wrong.

Enjoy!

searcher | March 25, 2011

marcuac. Sincerely thank you for looking at my concept. Have thoght about the quote. Think my concept is just sort of a flow through mechanism or re routing of energy, if you will, without inerfering with the battery to pavement operation of the energy moving the car down the road .But you and everybody else is telling me that I can't have a mechanism involved with rotation of the wheel to produce elctricity in an entirely independent system without interferring with or causing a drain on the initial operation of the car. Well thanks again so much for looking at the concept, hope you were not sublimily influenced by other classic physics being literated on the thread concerning my concept. Sure you wern't, just plain old high school physics I suppose. I will check in to this awhile longer and then probably be resigned to the elementary physics of the situation.Incedently, did you know Tesla disagreed with some of Einsteins stuff. Some of Einsteins stuff hasn't panned out, but I don't know what specifically hasn't. Thanks again and good fortune with your concepts. Drop in again on this thread anytime,like to consider it as sort of a bull session in the EV realm.

searcher | March 25, 2011

Comic Illustration of my mechanisms talking to each other in order to help illustrate my point. Wheel talking to device on wheel. Hey dude whats going on? Wheel device{ultra light}nothing much man how are you doing? Good man just sitting here rocking and rolling. Hey do you by any chance know a dude that calls himself receptor or something like that. Oh yeah I met him the other day and he told me he thoght if you and I could do lunch with him one day we could figure out a way for us three together to get some electical charge back into battery. Wheel device, cool with me, set it up but remember I have a job to do here and if I take anything away from the wheel that interfers with his job he probably wouldn't be happy. Wheel breaking in on conversation, overheard the converstion guys I'm just turning any way, if you guys can work it out where it doesn,t interfer with the force I am delivering to the road, I am cool with it. Both Mr. wheel device and interior Mr Receptor device chime in together , no man not a problem you just keep turning and doing your job and I think we can work it out and not interfer with you at all and get some electical charge back to battery who is begiining to get a little thirsty for some juice. OK, cool guys when do we all do lunch. Think we can do this.

searcher | March 26, 2011

Just in last day or soI have heard that John Hutchinson are being praised for some legitimate work they did in helping to clean up the Gulf oil pollution. John Hutchinson is the man who is painstakingly recreating some of Tesla'a experiments. Wish Tesla Motors and Hutchinson could get together and brainstorm some. Also wish we could get him on this website even with a user name that would not reveal his identity. I have tried to get messeges to him in the past with no luck. Think he has also done some DOD work. Presidents George W. Bush and Bill Clinton send him christmas cards. Could likely be some of his DOD work is my guess would be the motivation for this. Think I will try to contact him again right now.

searcher | March 27, 2011

John Hutchinson lives in Canada. Got email through last night with the request I said I would mention. Will invite any of you to google his website. Check out the part where some, shall we say, unconvential scientest met untimely ends, do any of you think powerful interest that their work might have had negative effect on would be this devious? Have reviewed a few of my recent posts and the spelling is terrible, please forgive this, will try to proofread more carefully.

searcher | March 27, 2011

Anyone,What is cold fusion and hot fusion. Are they dangerous?

Timo | March 28, 2011

Cold fusion is unicorn and fusion is Sun. Cold fusion might pierce you with its horn (unless you happen to be a virgin), and you might get nasty burn from Sun, maybe even skin cancer.

VolkerP | March 28, 2011

to be a little more specific:

hot fusion on earth is H-Bomb, Tokamak, JET and ITER in Europe. Of which H-bomb is dangerous to humans and the others are dangerous to the financial status of the nations engaged to build them.

cold fusion is assumed to be some process where light atomic nuclei combine inside a solid material that helps overcoming the forces driving them apart. There are some demonstration experiments, but they all lack a scientific explanation and none could be reproduced by independent teams.

LPP I would count to hot fusion. Ask BrianH it if is harmless.

searcher | March 28, 2011

Coreection, did not get through to John Hutchinson as I thought I had. He lives in Canada. His email address on the website did not work.

searcher | March 28, 2011

BrianH, Waiting on yopur anserws to the fusion question, Will reprase a bit. Are any of the two reasonably safe?

searcher | March 28, 2011

Surprised at the no comments on the one cylinder diesel VW to be sold in China soon. Billed as the most economical car in the world.2.7 gal tank, 404 mile range on this. One or two passenger, not sure. Just a motorcycle with a cabin but bet it would sell very well in USA and would help a lot until EV's really got online in a big way.

Brian H | March 29, 2011

Cold Fusion is now relabelled LENR (Low Energy Nuclear Reactions). There are various candidates and and claimants, none of which or whom I know much about. The LPP process is safe because it's small and non-neutron-generating, except for a very small fraction of "side reactions", unlike systems using various isotopes of hydrogen (deuterium, tritium). The LPP rig is surrounded by a shell of about a meter of water, and a couple of cm of Boron10. You'd really have to work at it to endanger yourself.

Hot large fusion depends on big superconducting magnets, which are pretty touchy beasts, and a few systems depend on absorbant shells of liquid lithium or other light metals. But fusion is not a "runaway" process, since loss of containment or fuel stops everything. Large high-neutron flux systems create a lot of radioactivity in their surrounding equipment, though, which is a maintenance and disposal and replacement problem.

If the LPP process works, it will rapidly price all those other alternatives out of the market. Its output power would sell profitably at ¼-½¢/kwh.

Tiebreaker | March 29, 2011

I am with Timo. Unicorn it is. Have a virgin harness it to the EV, and gently drive it through the world.

I am very enthusiastic about LPP. I drive close to their lab every day, I should probably stop by.

searcher | March 29, 2011

BrianH, You are definitely good on confusion, oops,fusion. Just kidding, very informative stuff, thanks. Go over to Hutchinsons website, might glean so interesting, certainly controversial stuff. I was somewhat suprised by some of the researches untimely ends. Had a conspiratorial aspect to it, I wonder.

searcher | March 29, 2011

Well I know I have been hard on the quality of products made in China and sold at one of our leading reatailers, but must say I bought a pair of workboots their about a year and a half ago and have turned out to be twice as well made as a leading, expensive much lauded USA brand. Think we were overpaying for the USA companies brandname. So lets here one for China.

searcher | March 29, 2011

Again, many parsons for the rash of bad spelling and oversights when proof reading.

searcher | March 29, 2011

Pardons, not parsons, see what I nean.

searcher | March 30, 2011

mean not nean. This is getting lousy.

Brian H | March 30, 2011

Aphasia is a possible indicator of stroke. Have you had your CPU scanned, lately?

searcher | March 30, 2011

BrianH, About seven years ago, ok then, but that has been awhile ,huh.Some have guessed that a lot of Tesla's bizarre behavior in later years {obsessive-compulsive, etc} might have been due to his overexposure to something in so many of his experiments. Don't remember what it was he might have been over exposed to. Again has anyone on the site read a complete and full biography of Tesla? I will google and check if their is one and let ones who might be interested know where it is and who wrote it. Still think this story would be a great movie. Any body got any "Hollywood" connections. BrianH if the economy keeps being rough sure you could make it as a gag writer. Your project, you were discussing doing the other day, sounded interesting. thnkuvermuch , leaving the building now. TCB

searcher | April 1, 2011

Don't know anything about square footage in current solar panels that people are using to charge their homes and electric cars. Would be nice if solar panel technology advance to the point one day person could go to Tesla store and purchase an EV and at the same time purchase a relatively small solar panel just to charge car even if the house stayed on conventional power.Also remember the conventional old windmills used to do a good job of pumping water. Not talking about these kind we see in desert now with big white blades. Just the old type with the tower etc. Had vane on them that would turn them according to which way the wind was blowing. Wonder how efeccient these would be as furnishing enough electicity to charge one EV vehicle. Then there are people fortunate enough to live by lakes,small millpond size farm ponds,and swift running streams. Wonder if technology could be developed for applications to be used hee enough to charge one EV vehicle. Then you might have the really fortunate ones who lived by the ocean with land and sea breezes to apply technology to or perhaps run underbeach cables to wave powered devices to generate power enough to handle charging one EV vehicle. Any thoughts welcome.

searcher | April 1, 2011

Right above my desk is a topographical map of the USA and Parts of Canada and interposed in one corner is Alaska, Hawaii etc. It just seems to me there is such potential in a combination public/private cooperative small streams programs where small streams cold used small lake tecnology and all hooked up onto convential power grids to add a tremendous amount of increase in the power grid at the same time being such an environmental boon as have stated before the eco advantages of such.

Brian H | April 1, 2011

Small hydro? For local small power requirements in 3rd world countries or remote locales, it can work. Check out LUTW.org . But hooking into the grid is a loser. Running the lines costs more than can be recovered in energy value.

searcher | April 1, 2011

Who are the big owners of BBC?

searcher | April 1, 2011

Small hydro then for realtively small groups of Ev owners or really small hydro for individual one Ev owners. How does that sound. Can see your logic in hooking to convential grids. Small EV hydro co-ops may not be bad. Say for example medium size residential lake in a development, and power for EVs only in tha particular development, maybe a pretty good perk for developers to think about.

Brian H | April 1, 2011

Whatever. If my (the) hopes for FF come thru, none of that will compete with <½¢/kwh power from a local 5MW generator, or the grid powered by hundreds of them.

The LUTW projects are small-scale, remote, and some use small-stream hydro, most use solar + custom 12V batteries (originally, just car batteries).

searcher | April 1, 2011

Now is this the realatively safe fusion thing your mentioned several weeks ago or something entirely different? Whatever it sounds very good and I will hope for it along with you. TCB

searcher | April 2, 2011

BrianH, Aprx. what size in feet would the LUTW solar panels be and do you see any possibility of reduction in size of thes panels as technology rolls along?

searcher | April 2, 2011

Again, anybody know who the big shareholders in BBC are?

searcher | April 4, 2011

BrianH, Was intrigued by your mention of the LUTW projects. Would these be units you would buy irregardless of your home elctrical or would they nessitate being hooked in with a larger solar paneled system. Guess the question I am asking is could they be bought in relatively small compact sytems just to power the EV's the family might own?

searcher | April 4, 2011

Seems that the oil companies are taking a lot of the heat but lets look at all the taxes and start demanding some transparency on how exactly all this money is spent by the taxers. Seems that the taxers probably deserve a lot more blame than they are getting. Know the roads and infrastucture have got to be maintained but just so much waste, beuracracy, cronism, and a lot of other bad ism's. Just look at the background of the Dept of Energy. Set up by Carter to reduce our dependency on foreign oil. Doing a great job, huh. Check out what it's costing us. So then the problem hurting the economy it seems to me is the excessive taxing with very little accountability. Just blame it on the uncertainty in the middle east. Baloney, blame it on the the exessive taxes. Honestly wonder how long it's been since we have had anybody running the store who knew what they were doing or even worse cared. We get taxed ecessivly at the gas station then thats a good reason for the food prices to go up as well as everything else and then we get taxed more here. Heard the "Teaparty" outline the other day, must say didn't sound too bad. Through in a few other things on the societal side and I think we may have something. Really captilism is truly the most benevolent economic system as it assumes that the drives to suceed, have a good life, etc. are inherently one of best attributes of the society and allows this attribute to flourish to the betterment of all from the poorest to the richest, think about it. Don't even come with argument it isn't for the best interest of the poor because I have a real life illustration to the contrary that will negate this argument. Based on the fact that the poor are probably innately the most hard working of all. I will be glad to share this and other real life examples. Only problem I have here is companies owe certain amount of benovolence to country that protects them and the people that live within and shouldn't be so eager to run off somewhere else to leave the blue collar working people of america {I would guess the majority} to now "root hog". Read your US history this has been a continuing theme all through our history. "Bring the jobs back home or face the consequences of an awakened sleeping giant." Remember who made the statement waking a "sleeping giant" don't you. No It wasn't Jack of beanstalk fame either. Gettin off soap box now. Know I seem to be wound pretty tight lately.

searcher | April 5, 2011

Will definitely check this out but heard oil/gas companies only cleared about eight cents per gallon. I may well be wrong on the pricing thing. But if the links suggest we are low as compared to other countries well that doesn't wash because I submit they should try to stand us to this stuff. Believe likely there is some "shucking and jivving" going on concerning our gas prices. I think it was selling in Bagdad for about five cents a gallon not too many years ago. It is very cheap in the mideast even now is my understanding. Know it takes money to get it to the gas pumps, but just seems too much disparity.

searcher | April 5, 2011

Considering the Tesla people want all the EV vehicle producers to be sucessful for reasons that will be mutually beneficial, who are some of the likely vehicle makers {other than Nissan} who will emerge with vehicles for global sales that most likely start with the strategy set at the lower to mid price levels?In other words starting from the low end and working up as opposed to Tesla starting at the top end and working down? Will the EV's being made in China be available for global sales?In the same vein who will probably be the emerging leaders in battery technology and what coutries will they be from?

searcher | April 5, 2011

Anybody heard about Brazil being given permission to drill in our Gulf waters recently? I understand a lot of our companies{USA} had left the area for other parts of the world due to the ban on drilling for them. What's up with this?

searcher | April 5, 2011

Where is Russia in the energy potentionals of their country. How much hydro electric potential do they have? Does anybody know if they have shown any interst in EV vehicle production at all?

searcher | April 5, 2011

Are there currently any big hydro electric projects going on globally? Does anyone think the USA still has a lot of untapped hydro electic potential, if so are we probably looking to expand in this area and how much?

Brian H | April 6, 2011

searcher;
LUTW.org has all the info. Check the products page. The panels are small; they only have to provide charge in a 12V battery for 5-10W of LED lighting for the evening hours, etc.

Tiebreaker | April 6, 2011

Ah, it seems that we are all late here with the discussions. Tesla Motors already figured out the solution themselves, see here:

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=305788&id=18790602800&comments=1

searcher | April 6, 2011

BrianH, This sounds very cool. So did post I read lat night where Mr. Musk said that 30k vehicles could be likely in five years or so.

Brian H | April 7, 2011

?? miles, or dollars? ??
;)

searcher | April 7, 2011

DollarsIn rereading some posts last night "misiano" refreshed the idea of when bought new battery would almost be like buying a new car. Think how much would be saved if went through about three or more battery cycles. In other words the more battery cycles went through the more the savings as it looks like these might be extremely high mileage vehicles.

searcher | April 7, 2011

BrianH, I am still laughing at your "moose jokes". I told them to someone yesterday, they cracked up to.

Brian H | April 10, 2011

I seem to recall misquoting one slightly; the punchline is "If that's a moose, I dinna want to meet a rat."
;)

searcher | April 10, 2011

BrianH, Yeah thats the line. I used to work with a crazy dude who used to go around saying the "Pink Panther" line "theeres a menkie in this rhuum" all the time time along with a lot of other "Pink Panther" and "Groucho Marx" lines. Crazy dude kept me laughing but was excellent computer operator.

Did you understand the 30k was the price range hopefully in about five years.Did you understand the concept that msiano brought out about with a long lasting vehicle just two or three battery cycles would save a ton of money over the long haul.Totally out of esoteric stuff at present but stay tuned.Did you check out my reply to morrispd concerning his insult to timo. I know timo is a big boy{probably a very big boy} and can take care of himself but just felt inclined to respond to morrispd "gutter talk". Imagine me defending one of my old arch nemisis{sp?}timo. And having having a cordial converstion with another arch nemisis ,you,ha.Well I guess if you can't beat'em join'em,ha.

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